Ranger Archive
Thread: Regarding the 19 questions.
Nemo0 wrote:Back in August 2003, Holocron posted the following on our forums:
[parts of the quote from Holocron with a link to the rest of the post]Shortly after that, we received /areatrack and /camouflage. The rest of the promises on that list never appeared. While both were very useful at the time, /areatrack has become less effective with the introduction of player cities, mounts, and vehicles and /camouflage has gained many bugs (including breaking consistently on very low level mobs like kreetles and rasps and having extremely varied results with NPCs). The addition of player cities, mounts, and vehicles and the implementation of several new rules (such as calling pets/vehicles without a camp) have also further devalued many of our initial skills. This leaves us in a situation very similar to where we were in August (if not worse). We know that Ranger is not working as intended. We also know that only a very small proportion of the player base bothers with the majority of the profession (many Rangers know more Jedi than they do Master Rangers).
Good background information...a little wordy...try this:
Back in August 2003, Holocron posted on our forums:
[parts of the quote from Holocron with a link to the rest of the post]
We were promised items such as lure traps, hunting blinds and /track...etc. We received /camo and /ar. Camo is not noticably better or more effective than /maskscent yet it takes resources. /ar, while by far the best skill we have, is still buggy and is a far cry from the /track command that Holocron posted. With player cities draining wilderness spawns, droids/pets/vehicles no longer needing camps, Rangers are feeling an encroachment on our natural habitat.
After this point, we can insert our question.
Please feel free to pick apart my suggestion....
thanks
AgonThalia wrote:
Ok playing devil's advocate
Edit:*Snip*
Good background information...a little wordy...try this:
Back in August 2003, Holocron posted on our forums:
[parts of the quote from Holocron with a link to the rest of the post]
We were promised items such as lure traps, hunting blinds and /track...etc. We received /camo and /ar. Camo is not noticably better or more effective than /maskscent yet it takes resources. /ar, while by far the best skill we have, is still buggy and is a far cry from the /track command that Holocron posted. With player cities draining wilderness spawns, droids/pets/vehicles no longer needing camps, Rangers are feeling an encroachment on our natural habitat.
After this point, we can insert our question.
Please feel free to pick apart my suggestion....
thanks
I would highly recommend including something to indicate that we don't necessarily want exactly what was promised (as the game has changed quite a bit since then). While most Rangers would be happy to get just what was promised (as it would definately make us a lot more effective), there are too many good ideas floating around on this forum to settle only for that. I would prefer to focus on differentiation from Scout instead of the specific things promised. Maybe something more like:
Back in August 2003, Holocron posted on our forums:
[parts of the quote from Holocron with a link to the rest of the post]
We were promised differentiation from Scout. We received /camo and /ar along with promises of other changes. Camo is not noticably better or more effective than /maskscent yet it takes resources. /ar, while by far the best skill we have, is still buggy and is a far cry from the /track command that Holocron posted and many of the ideas that have appeared in our forums since then. With player cities draining wilderness spawns, droids/pets/vehicles no longer needing camps, and travelling being reduced to autorunning with a speeder, Rangers are feeling an encroachment on our natural habitat.
After this point, we can insert our question.
Lythender Nirou
Master Ranger/Master Rifleman
Eclipse Server
Edit: Made the post look a bit neater.
Message Edited by Nemo0 on 04-23-2004 06:07 PM
Nemo0 wrote:Back in August 2003, Holocron posted on our forums (from the Developer working on Rangers, Green Marine):
... "Rangers have very little that differentiates them from scouts. Once Master Scout is reached, Ranger is essentially more of the exact same thing." In my mind this issue is of critical importance and largely trumps the rest of the Correspondent list. ...We were promised differentiation from Scout. We received /camouflage and /areatrack along with promises of other changes. Camo is not noticably better or more effective than /maskscent yet it takes resources. /ar, while by far the best skill we have, is still buggy and is a far cry from the /track command that Holocron posted. Since then, many players have collaborated to generate more ideas on the ranger profession. With player cities draining wilderness spawns, droids/pets/vehicles no longer needing camps, and travelling being reduced to autorunning with a speeder, Rangers are feeling an encroachment on our natural habitat. With this in mind, can we expect to see any significant changes to our skill set in the coming publishes or will we need to wait until after the Space Expansion is released? Also, are the majority of the changes likely to come in small bursts or is it more likely to come as a dedicated portion of a publish?
All I changed are some minor grammatical subject-verb agreement issues and thats it....
The content should be good to go... you rock Nemo0
AgonThalia wrote:
My second question to be considered:
Rangers, are supposed to excel at hunting and killing creatures, while it may be unbalancing to give Rangers innate combat skills, Rangers would like to have a Ranger specific weapon that would enhance their ability to take down a beast in the wild, some of the proposals have been the Trap Launcher or the High Tech Bow. While these items mesh with most Rangers' vision of their profession, does it correlate with the Dev's vision as well?
Message Edited by AgonThalia on 04-23-2004 09:21 AM
How can giving rangers innate combat abilities be concidered unbalancing?
1) Given the fact that you are able to master up to 3 Elite combat professions, accumulating all the bonuses, skill mods, special abilities, defenses, from 3 elite professions. In most cases its mastering 2 elite professions, and adding TN or medic skills, but still you are able to cap your major defensive stats Ranged/Melee def, not to mention the ability to gain both ranged and melee mitigation..
2) Ranger IS a COMBAT PROFESSION and should be infinately more of a combat related profession than a CM is. We are required to enter into combat in order to use our abilities and fulfill our purpose, yet NO combat specific abilities exist in the profession. Well maybe we can run away from our enemies better, but you see my point.
I really hate missing one stinking day of Forum Posts 
So now that all of the good ideas have been taken....I agree wholeheartedly that we use the Holocron/Agonthalia/Nemo0 post idea.
Make them answer for what they promised us almost a year ago. Man I wish I could go to Fan Fest and make them say in person, why they hate Ranger's.
Regards,
Rancorrider4 wrote:
I really hate missing one stinking day of Forum Posts
So now that all of the good ideas have been taken....I agree wholeheartedly that we use the Holocron/Agonthalia/Nemo0 post idea.
Make them answer for what they promised us almost a year ago. Man I wish I could go to Fan Fest and make them say in person, why they hate Ranger's.
Regards,
I live in San Diego, maybe I should go and do just this
Ebe
I do however havea statment concerning overbalancing....
You coud give us flamethrowers....and we would still be underpowered.....Overbalancing is not realy a concern when we spend 140 points just to become a slighly better scout....
JediQuic wrote:I do however have a statment concerning overbalancing....
You coud give us flamethrowers....and we would still be underpowered.....Overbalancing is not realy a concern when we spend 140 points just to become a slighly better scout....
yeah... I know
If it were up to me...we would be a mix of a super-spy/ Army Ranger/ Wilderness Hunter.... my intent was "baby steps" first...
I officially retract the word "overpowered"
AgonThalia wrote:
JediQuic wrote:
I do however have a statment concerning overbalancing....
You coud give us flamethrowers....and we would still be underpowered.....Overbalancing is not realy a concern when we spend 140 points just to become a slighly better scout....
yeah... I know
If it were up to me...we would be a mix of a super-spy/ Army Ranger/ Wilderness Hunter.... my intent was "baby steps" first...
I officially retract the word "overpowered"
Yeah but thats a problem seeing as we're potientially stepping on the commando's toes. Many of them want commando's to be a hybrid of stealth and power so it would be pretty pointless having two professions that do the same thing.
Imo what we need from the Dev's is an answer on what our role in PVP will be. Then and only then can we pick a direction. Atm we've just not got anything to work with.