Ranger Archive
Thread: Massive amounts of Hide
not true really. Owen is a recon-ist. I'm a recon-ist. Been a Ranger since September 2003. I'll always have a Ranger character. Assuming that simply because people have a particular vision for Ranger that they're more likely to give up the profession is kind of insulting. I'm sure that wasn't your intention, but looking objectively, I'd say that we have a pretty good spread of people on both sides, and long-times vets on both sides. People who are looking for power against creatures can just as easiliy turn to other professions with roots and snares and healing, so we're just as likely to lose Rangers there.
ZalokOnan wrote:
Well, if the posts of the past few weeks have been any indication it seems there is still a strong rift in the community about whether we follow the creature centric role of the past or the potential recon infantry role of the future. Im afraid that most people will eventually agree with you, the recon-ists will simply give up ranger and move on to more combat roles that involve some level of scout because the skills we get from ranger are not worth the cost, nor will they be even with a reduction of those costs.
Cryos_Merovingian wrote:
This is particularly distrubing for those of us who are trying to earn a bit of a living as a ranger. We started up a creature resource vendor on naritus that is backed by over a dozen rangers. A prices are a touch above average, but stuff just isn't selling that well. Why? I've talked to many of the common buyers on the server and they are all telling me that they can get FS grinders to harvest for them at 3-5cpu.
The post-cu harvest rates, while kinda neat, have created FAR too much excess in supply for rangers to support themselves. This only further supports the idea put forward by Bal that the idea of Rangers as a "hunter" is no longer viable - a few scouts can do plenty of harvesting. Sadly, the role of the "hunter" is all we have going for us, and now, we don't even have that.
I've been saying this for months, and people keep arguing with me about it. 
It's great for me as an AS to get what I need cheap. But it sucks for my Ranger.
Ranger in this game has ALWAYS been about a way of life, a manner of thinking - far more than it has been about badges, uber camps or weapon damage types. It teaches you respect, patience, courtesy, self control, discipline, endurance and the ability to rely on yourself.
If all one can see is 'we are gimped this way' or that 'my abilities don't let me have uber pwnage' then you may have the badge, but you are NOT a ranger.
Beladan wrote:
Ranger in this game has ALWAYS been about a way of life, a manner of thinking - far more than it has been about badges, uber camps or weapon damage types. It teaches you respect, patience, courtesy, self control, discipline, endurance and the ability to rely on yourself.
If all one can see is 'we are gimped this way' or that 'my abilities don't let me have uber pwnage' then you may have the badge, but you are NOT a ranger.
QFE.
If only there was some way in the game that forced anyone wanting to Jedi to actually learn those lessons before they could move further down that path.
AragornSoS wrote:
Beladan wrote:
Ranger in this game has ALWAYS been about a way of life, a manner of thinking - far more than it has been about badges, uber camps or weapon damage types. It teaches you respect, patience, courtesy, self control, discipline, endurance and the ability to rely on yourself.
If all one can see is 'we are gimped this way' or that 'my abilities don't let me have uber pwnage' then you may have the badge, but you are NOT a ranger.
QFE.
If only there was some way in the game that forced anyone wanting to Jedi to actually learn those lessons before they could move further down that path.
That was sort of the point of the old system of getting Jedi. The Jedi were meant to be those who had experience with many different portions of the game. Sadly, the holocrons let the secret out and people started grinding the professions instead of playing them. At the beginning, there was no known reward for mastering different professions (no badges, Jedi path unknown, etc). Those who mastered different professions did so because they wanted to. Usually this meant that they knew something about those professions other than just the fastest way to master them.
BTW, while I would never suggest that ranger sucks, I will not go on a happy-love train when talking about it either. I first mastered somewhere between september-october of 03, and in the two years since then Ive given it up and remastered it several times. There are reasons why people give it up and there are reasons why people come back. Belittling one side or another is not warranted in an open debate. Do rangers have skills? Yes. Are those skills comparable to other skills? No. Can a great ranger find a way to make his abilities work out? Yes. Should he have to "make it work?" No.
The best solutions and discussions involve retaining the rangers we have, reinviting old exrangers to return, and giving people who have never looked into it a reason to want to learn the trade.
ZalokOnan wrote:There are reasons why people give it up and there are reasons why people come back. Belittling one side or another is not warranted in an open debate. Do rangers have skills? Yes. Are those skills comparable to other skills? No. Can a great ranger find a way to make his abilities work out? Yes. Should he have to "make it work?" No.
The best solutions and discussions involve retaining the rangers we have, reinviting old exrangers to return, and giving people who have never looked into it a reason to want to learn the trade.
You make several great points, your last is the best of all
On the strength of me being a Master Ranger a guild friend used his last respec to get the trapping boxes so his alt became Master Ranger/Master Rifles.
He is far more uber than me, lol, he has made a small fortune getting invites to pick-up groups hunting Kimo's for their carnivore meat, which until a week ago had the most amazing stats.
/bow Starev
Message Edited by Aenedor on 08-18-2005 09:28 PM