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Thread: One skill i think we need.
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Sojourner
Mon Sep 19, 2005 9:14 am
#14
Oreet wrote:
Phenix1050 wrote:
still better for you than bug-juice.
Oreet wrote:
i believe all the stats are negative numbers. so if you use Bothan Milk when crafting food, the final buff foods will actually subtract stats from you instead of buffing them.
groundcrew wrote:
I wonder what the stats are on Bothan milk.....hmmmmm
why would i want bug juice? i'm no cannibal.
You think
s are bugs?Weird, I've always considered them as proto-mammals with thermal sensory organs.
Oreet
Mon Sep 19, 2005 9:19 am
#15
Sojourner wrote:
You think
i've always thought of Rodians as the b*stard child of a bug and an ant-eater.
but no matter where s come from, they are still the best species ever.
Oreet
Mon Sep 19, 2005 9:23 am
#16
AgonThalia wrote:
Evolutionarily speaking, Mon Cals and Rodians derive from the phyla "invertebrata" hence, no spines.
they eventually split off into molluska and arthropoda respectively.
oh yeah, and they reproduce in clouds of spores or eggs.. what fun is that?
there's a flaw in your logic.
Rodian females have breasts.
Female with breasts = Mammals
Mammals are verteabrates
Therefore, Rodians are at least part-way mammals, and not inverteabrates.
AgonThalia
Mon Sep 19, 2005 9:30 am
#17
actually, thats not a flaw:
rodian breasts evolved because of the cultural selection. the rodian females that had thoracic protrusions were considered more attractive and the trait was passed along.
although, without a decent autopsy, figuring out the biology of these "breasts" or "thorcic protrusions" is merely academic.
so, who's with me... its time for an old fashioned alien autopsy.. HOORAY!!!
rodian breasts evolved because of the cultural selection. the rodian females that had thoracic protrusions were considered more attractive and the trait was passed along.
although, without a decent autopsy, figuring out the biology of these "breasts" or "thorcic protrusions" is merely academic.
so, who's with me... its time for an old fashioned alien autopsy.. HOORAY!!!
Sojourner
Mon Sep 19, 2005 10:03 am
#18
AgonThalia wrote: Evolutionarily speaking, Mon Cals and Rodians derive from the phyla "invertebrata" hence, no spines. they eventually split off into molluska and arthropoda respectively. oh yeah, and they reproduce in clouds of spores or eggs.. what fun is that?
Ok Mon Cals are clearinginvertebrates, but Rodians? I beg to differ, while they do seem to have compound eyes and some sort of sensory apparta on stalks, that says nothing about where or not they have a spine and other internal bones. Clearly they also have scaly skin, which is incompatable with a hard chitinous exo-skeleton.
As for reproduction, the um...exchange of genetic material is rather similar to whatdomammals, the main difference is how and where the offspring develope before they are born. In fact, Rodians could be true mammals, just not placental mammals. They could be monotremes,like the spiney echidna and duck-billedplatypus, as lactationand hair/fur-covered skinare the main characteristics of mammals. Or as I said earlier they could be some sort of reptilian proto-mammal. Either way, I still don't see how anyone could classify Rodians as bugs.
Message Edited by Sojourner on 09-19-2005 01:04 PM
AgonThalia
Tue Sep 20, 2005 12:03 am
#19
Fascinating points.
The development of the proboscis, the eyes on stalks, and other insectoid features lends itself to arthropod ancestry.
I think that while the existance of the spine may, at this point (without an autopsy) be theoretical, there is definately some common ancestry.
cladistic analysis would clearly show that at some point, the rodian species would found an evolutionary advantage by shedding the hard chitonous exoskeleton to a more reptilian scaly skin. probably because the size restrictions of an exoskeleton would have been a hinderance to the ancestry. as the chitin left, and the scales evolved, the primitive notochord would have needed to be protected as its main form of protection (exoskeleton) would have been lost.
secondly, i cannot think of a single bipedal, brachiating lifeform that does not have a spine.
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in this case, i think that subject to peer review, that while rodians are not currently "bugs" they clearly share an evolutionary heritage with them and have assumed a chimeric evolution with a reptilian - arthropod heritage.
in which case, rodians and trandoshans may be more closely related than previously thought.
The development of the proboscis, the eyes on stalks, and other insectoid features lends itself to arthropod ancestry.
I think that while the existance of the spine may, at this point (without an autopsy) be theoretical, there is definately some common ancestry.
cladistic analysis would clearly show that at some point, the rodian species would found an evolutionary advantage by shedding the hard chitonous exoskeleton to a more reptilian scaly skin. probably because the size restrictions of an exoskeleton would have been a hinderance to the ancestry. as the chitin left, and the scales evolved, the primitive notochord would have needed to be protected as its main form of protection (exoskeleton) would have been lost.
secondly, i cannot think of a single bipedal, brachiating lifeform that does not have a spine.
...
in this case, i think that subject to peer review, that while rodians are not currently "bugs" they clearly share an evolutionary heritage with them and have assumed a chimeric evolution with a reptilian - arthropod heritage.
in which case, rodians and trandoshans may be more closely related than previously thought.
Oreet
Tue Sep 20, 2005 12:07 am
#20
eyes on stalks???
those are sensors on our heads, our eyes are in the normal spot that most humanoid creatures would have them.
and our lack of a hard exoskeleton pretty much proves the existence of a spine. if we didn't have a spine, we're be amorphous blobs instead of erect humanoid creatures.
Calculus_Entropy
Tue Sep 20, 2005 12:26 am
#21
So, the moral of the story is...Rodians have boobs, but no spine.
Tarnak_Archvold
Tue Sep 20, 2005 12:41 am
#22
From what I have gathered Rodiens have to give birth, to live youngest. Therefore, they do not belong in the egg laying class of creatures. Whether or not they breast feed is another question, and would determine is they are mammals.
Remember the story about the rodien hunter who diapered on kasshyyyr ? He send home a set of knifes for his twins... so the stronger could kill the weaker. Or in his case the sneaky one kill the more brutish one in his sleep. Apparently that is the rodien custom, they are born as twins, and one will kill the other as part of the upbringing.
There can not be twins with out a womb, but we are talking exo-bioligy here, and we cannot necessarily use the same classifications.
So when all is said and done, the look like bugs so we call them bugs, and treat them likebugs! Anyone got a problem with that? /stomp.
Remember the story about the rodien hunter who diapered on kasshyyyr ? He send home a set of knifes for his twins... so the stronger could kill the weaker. Or in his case the sneaky one kill the more brutish one in his sleep. Apparently that is the rodien custom, they are born as twins, and one will kill the other as part of the upbringing.
There can not be twins with out a womb, but we are talking exo-bioligy here, and we cannot necessarily use the same classifications.
So when all is said and done, the look like bugs so we call them bugs, and treat them likebugs! Anyone got a problem with that? /stomp.
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