Ranger Archive

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Sojourner wrote:

The sophist view on knowledge and intelligence is fundementally flawed. Merely knowing information often times gives a false sense of true mastery in a subject. However, often facts, formulas, other such information is useless without the proper experience and problem solving skills that must be developed in concert with knowledge. Education is not simply the aquisition of knowledge, it is also learning how to use it to best effect.

Deal with that symbol boy!

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You say po TA toe, I say po TAH toe... you say toe MAY toe, I say I am going to play DnD where a thief is a thief and a ranger is a ranger.

JB

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CuchulainnDarklight wrote:

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Sojourner wrote:

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CuchulainnDarklight wrote:

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Sojourner wrote:

The sophist view on knowledge and intelligence is fundementally flawed. Merely knowing information often times gives a false sense of true mastery in a subject. However, often facts, formulas, other such information is useless without the proper experience and problem solving skills that must be developed in concert with knowledge. Education is not simply the aquisition of knowledge, it is also learning how to use it to best effect.

Deal with that symbol boy!

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Actually, education is just the aquisition of knowledge. E.g. Knowledge is knowing that sodium melts at 98 C and water boils at 100 C. Wisdom is knowing that sodium is not the best thin to make kettles with!

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If education were simply about learning knowledge all we would need would be repositories of such knowledge. Education is more than that though, it is one part obtaining knowledge and one part learning how to apply that knowledge (obtaining wisdom if you prefer). Take my paragraph for example, you obviously read it. Probably by just changing the font, rather than trying time consuming cryptographic means. Both would allow you to read what I posted, so why did you choose the quickest one without trying both? More importantly how and when did you learn this (since a baby is not born knowing how to solve this problem)?

Now do see my point?

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As an adult I have very good problem solving abilities and a very analytical mind and that is how I rendered your cipher into plaintext. Unfortunately I dont have the wisdom to change the font!

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Sojourner wrote:

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CuchulainnDarklight wrote:

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Sojourner wrote:

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CuchulainnDarklight wrote:

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Sojourner wrote:

The sophist view on knowledge and intelligence is fundementally flawed. Merely knowing information often times gives a false sense of true mastery in a subject. However, often facts, formulas, other such information is useless without the proper experience and problem solving skills that must be developed in concert with knowledge. Education is not simply the aquisition of knowledge, it is also learning how to use it to best effect.

Deal with that symbol boy!

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Actually, education is just the aquisition of knowledge. E.g. Knowledge is knowing that sodium melts at 98 C and water boils at 100 C. Wisdom is knowing that sodium is not the best thin to make kettles with!

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If education were simply about learning knowledge all we would need would be repositories of such knowledge. Education is more than that though, it is one part obtaining knowledge and one part learning how to apply that knowledge (obtaining wisdom if you prefer). Take my paragraph for example, you obviously read it. Probably by just changing the font, rather than trying time consuming cryptographic means. Both would allow you to read what I posted, so why did you choose the quickest one without trying both? More importantly how and when did you learn this (since a baby is not born knowing how to solve this problem)?

Now do see my point?

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As an adult I have very good problem solving abilities and a very analytical mind and that is how I rendered your cipher into plaintext. Unfortunately I dont have the wisdom to change the font!

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Oh I see how it is, you cheated!

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FSVO of cheated.

Course, tother way of rendering the text sensible (and theres another mis-usable symbol) is just to 'reply'.

Message Edited by Almagill on 09-20-2005 01:36 AM

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Sojourner wrote:

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CuchulainnDarklight wrote:

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Sojourner wrote:

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CuchulainnDarklight wrote:

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Sojourner wrote:

The sophist view on knowledge and intelligence is fundementally flawed. Merely knowing information often times gives a false sense of true mastery in a subject. However, often facts, formulas, other such information is useless without the proper experience and problem solving skills that must be developed in concert with knowledge. Education is not simply the aquisition of knowledge, it is also learning how to use it to best effect.

Deal with that symbol boy!

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Actually, education is just the aquisition of knowledge. E.g. Knowledge is knowing that sodium melts at 98 C and water boils at 100 C. Wisdom is knowing that sodium is not the best thin to make kettles with!

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If education were simply about learning knowledge all we would need would be repositories of such knowledge. Education is more than that though, it is one part obtaining knowledge and one part learning how to apply that knowledge (obtaining wisdom if you prefer). Take my paragraph for example, you obviously read it. Probably by just changing the font, rather than trying time consuming cryptographic means. Both would allow you to read what I posted, so why did you choose the quickest one without trying both? More importantly how and when did you learn this (since a baby is not born knowing how to solve this problem)?

Now do see my point?

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As an adult I have very good problem solving abilities and a very analytical mind and that is how I rendered your cipher into plaintext. Unfortunately I dont have the wisdom to change the font!

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Oh I see how it is, you cheated!

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No... it's called "implementation efficiencies"... it's more akin to not having to reinvite the wheel everytime you get a flat. If I may add, Sojourner, and take it or leave it... "knowledgeimpresses oneself by leaps and bound, but one should always be careful to look where they leap". You need to spend less time pointing out to others the definitions of a dictionary. At this point you will be greatlysurprised that others may actually "understand"more then you realize... or even"understand" more then you do.

/bowhead

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Almagill wrote:

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Sojourner wrote:

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CuchulainnDarklight wrote:

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Sojourner wrote:

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CuchulainnDarklight wrote:

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Sojourner wrote:

The sophist view on knowledge and intelligence is fundementally flawed. Merely knowing information often times gives a false sense of true mastery in a subject. However, often facts, formulas, other such information is useless without the proper experience and problem solving skills that must be developed in concert with knowledge. Education is not simply the aquisition of knowledge, it is also learning how to use it to best effect.

Deal with that symbol boy!

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Actually, education is just the aquisition of knowledge. E.g. Knowledge is knowing that sodium melts at 98 C and water boils at 100 C. Wisdom is knowing that sodium is not the best thin to make kettles with!

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If education were simply about learning knowledge all we would need would be repositories of such knowledge. Education is more than that though, it is one part obtaining knowledge and one part learning how to apply that knowledge (obtaining wisdom if you prefer). Take my paragraph for example, you obviously read it. Probably by just changing the font, rather than trying time consuming cryptographic means. Both would allow you to read what I posted, so why did you choose the quickest one without trying both? More importantly how and when did you learn this (since a baby is not born knowing how to solve this problem)?

Now do see my point?

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As an adult I have very good problem solving abilities and a very analytical mind and that is how I rendered your cipher into plaintext. Unfortunately I dont have the wisdom to change the font!

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Oh I see how it is, you cheated!

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FSVO of cheated.

Course, tother way of rendering the text sensible (and theres another mis-usable symbol) is just to 'reply'.

Message Edited by Almagill on 09-20-2005 01:36 AM

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Aurabesh FTW!

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AgonThalia wrote:
right.

a long long time ago, the point was made that the core problem of ranger was that it was such a powerful word with powerful mythology. which gave us all expectations.

for each of us, the expectations were not supported by the mechanics.

now, we are getting a clear definition of what a ranger is in the swg universe, and while it is not what i personally wanted (i like the big game hunter/ outdoorsman) i think that it will be a very cool profession to play and be a helluva lot of fun.

the issue now is that this new definition is causing more expectations, moreso than the devs have given information on.

lets be rangers.. smarter than our prey, thoughtful in our approach, and accurate in our analysis.

/salute rangers.

lets get together and get this right.

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Hoo freaking YAH Master Chief!!!

Listen gang: Us old timers (many of us at any rate) had this same reaction when the Dev Team announced that their vision of us was to be the "Ultimate Creature Hunter". Frankly I was pissed, and stated so in several threads. I think N'Raas wanted to kill me with his bare hands. This new vision of Ranger does not mean you cannot still play the Ranger as you know it. Scout still exists and almost all of our abilities as we know them nowwill bein the Scout trees, and we'll probably still have two trees for pre-req's.

Yes it's not Aragorn, or a D&D Ranger both of which I love, but I also love these new idea's. Let's try them out and see what happens. As has been stated many times already, our creature centric abilities and role still exist just in another manner.

By the way...I have to apologize to all of you for these constant late night/early morning posts. I'm not ignoring any replies, I'm just on a new shift that puts me home at around 1 am e.s.t. and it suxors d00d.

There is far to much arguing over semantics right now. It doesn't matter WHAT you think of when you hear the word Ranger...it used to be creature oriented, now it's not. Anyone of us can agrue that Ranger means 'this.' How can you tell that person they are wrong? To that person, Ranger DOES mean 'this.'

Same thing goes for 'stealing.' Taking something from some without their knowledge IS stealing .

right.

a long long time ago, the point was made that the core problem of ranger was that it was such a powerful word with powerful mythology. which gave us all expectations.

for each of us, the expectations were not supported by the mechanics.

now, we are getting a clear definition of what a ranger is in the swg universe, and while it is not what i personally wanted (i like the big game hunter/ outdoorsman) i think that it will be a very cool profession to play and be a helluva lot of fun.

the issue now is that this new definition is causing more expectations, moreso than the devs have given information on.

lets be rangers.. smarter than our prey, thoughtful in our approach, and accurate in our analysis.

/salute rangers.

lets get together and get this right.

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Calculus_Entropy wrote:
There is far to much arguing over semantics right now. It doesn't matter WHAT you think of when you hear the word Ranger...it used to be creature oriented, now it's not. Anyone of us can agrue that Ranger means 'this.' How can you tell that person they are wrong? To that person, Ranger DOES mean 'this.'

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Ah Calc, you know semantics means "meaning", right?

The dictionary is your friend...

Message Edited by Sojourner on 09-19-2005 04:01 PM