Ranger Archive

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Phenix1050 wrote:

meh. I don't think borrowing good ideas is a bad thing. Which game introduced the concept of controling pets? Which game introduced the concept of mounts? It wasn't WoW. So technically, anything that they do with pets is a result of borrowing from other people. Every MMO borrows good ideas and put them into their own system. and every RPG that uses a d20 system is borrowing off of pen-and-paper games, so I really don't think we should worry about where stuff came from, just see if it works well and if it's balanced.

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Calculus_Entropy wrote:

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Phenix1050 wrote:

meh. I don't think borrowing good ideas is a bad thing. Which game introduced the concept of controling pets? Which game introduced the concept of mounts? It wasn't WoW. So technically, anything that they do with pets is a result of borrowing from other people. Every MMO borrows good ideas and put them into their own system. and every RPG that uses a d20 system is borrowing off of pen-and-paper games, so I really don't think we should worry about where stuff came from, just see if it works well and if it's balanced.

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But when is it too much? The more you take from other games, the more all games become the same .

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Course you know imitation is the sincerest form of flattery ;-)

As far is how much is too much.. I dont know the answer to that but if something works well and the players like it and it fits, why not use it? Re-inventing the wheel just for the sake of saying "I invented that" is silly (and I daresay SWG stumbled greatly because it over-reached in terms of inventevness. yes they had some of the most promising MMO play systems around BUT it would seem those promising systems were too complex to release in a timely fashion and were to complex to implement and maintain later and the game suffered as a result of the incompleteness of the orginal design.)

Sadly in the gaming industry and every other entertainment industry, copy-cats each other like crazy..this is good and bad..good because cross-pollenating ideas is a good thing but the bad side is if the idea works then everyone uses it and other sutdios become loathe to try and do something 'out of the box' They would rather wait for some kind of established feature to emerge rather than take the risk and develop the feature themselves.

Thats why it takes forever to see trly different or innovative things reach the public eye. Too many people taking the 'safe' approach. (again its balance because if you are talking LOTS of money, investors dont care for recklesness.)

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SeanBlader wrote:
On the In Testing forum

Glad CH's got help, this definately will make them amazingly fun to play, but why do I feel like we're still in the middle of the Combat Upgrade server downtime waiting for fixes on everything in the game to update?

Entertainers needed changes
Creature Handlers got broken
Squad Leaders still don't have the benefits they need
Most of Jedi Healer is useless apparently
BE's are going to need a publish to fix the pets they make
the spawning system is still a mess
And smugglers still aren't smuggling

I'm sure there's more. Maybe Ranger just isn't happening anytime soon. Shoot, I'd be happy if the adhesive mesh worked and came in a stack bigger than my johnson.

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SeanBlader wrote:

I'm sure there's more. Maybe Ranger just isn't happening anytime soon. Shoot, I'd be happy if the adhesive mesh worked and came in a stack bigger than my johnson.

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000000000000000000Dyrwen Sy-X
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000000000000000000Imperial Master Ranger.
000000000000000000Meat Manager
000000000000000000Hide Heretic.
000000000000000000Bone Busybody.
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000000000000000000General PAC Man 
000000000000000000Penny Arcade Clan 
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Great news for CH. Like Phen i dont mind at all when good ideas are shared/borrowed/stolen. Like the rest xp system in wow. It took bliz to have the balls and show that mmos can be for casual gamers not looking for a 2 year investment and bow did they do it right. A month or two later EQ2 adds it

Wow's hunter pet system is very robust and works well, the only problem is with the lack of abilities you can learn from pets giving you a very bland combat pallette. I know its only early days but by the sounds of it there are a few good abilities out there that should work well.

On keymaps ive always used mmorpg mode but the eq mode without chase cam on (essentially COH mode and much like EQ2 but without free mouse. I thought the old swg control method was great until i played coh and ive never gone back since.

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Kinshi wrote:

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Calculus_Entropy wrote:

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Phenix1050 wrote:

meh. I don't think borrowing good ideas is a bad thing. Which game introduced the concept of controling pets? Which game introduced the concept of mounts? It wasn't WoW. So technically, anything that they do with pets is a result of borrowing from other people. Every MMO borrows good ideas and put them into their own system. and every RPG that uses a d20 system is borrowing off of pen-and-paper games, so I really don't think we should worry about where stuff came from, just see if it works well and if it's balanced.

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But when is it too much? The more you take from other games, the more all games become the same .

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Course you know imitation is the sincerest form of flattery ;-)

As far is how much is too much.. I dont know the answer to that but if something works well and the players like it and it fits, why not use it? Re-inventing the wheel just for the sake of saying "I invented that" is silly (and I daresay SWG stumbled greatly because it over-reached in terms of inventevness (what exactly are you referring to here?). yes they had some of the most promising MMO play systems around BUT it would seem those promising systems were too complex to release in a timely fashion and were to complex to implement and maintain later and the game suffered as a result of the incompleteness of the orginal design.)

Sadly in the gaming industry and every other entertainment industry, copy-cats each other like crazy (don't get me started on the 'year of a thousand film remakes')..this is good and bad..good because cross-pollenating ideas is a good thing but the bad side is if the idea works then everyone uses it and other sutdios become loathe to try and do something 'out of the box' They would rather wait for some kind of established feature to emerge rather than take the risk and develop the feature themselves.

Thats why it takes forever to see trly different or innovative things reach the public eye. Too many people taking the 'safe' approach. (again its balance because if you are talking LOTS of money, investors dont care for recklesness.)

(Lol! So do you think borrowing us good or bad? )

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Good for the CH's. Lots of people need fixes/work, and at least some people are getting them.

And BioEngine, as for "What happened to the Smuggler/Ranger/Squad Leader, revamps in that order?"(lol...sorry, I don't know how to quote).......LIES!

What more did you expect?

im not sure what the exact changes to ch are but as a ch, which i have been since i started i must say that i am glad that a new venue of oppurtunity has opened to the poorly respected proffession, most people seem to not look highly to creature handler until they need a pet tamed, trained, mounted, or named.

also, i dont feel that it is wrong to get ideas from other games as long as it makes the game more enjoyable which is what people pay for, they buy the game to have fun and any good change that is made i dont think should be scrutinized unless it is majorly morally wrong, which this idea is not. as a master ch i must say that i thank the devs for making my hard work a little more worthwhile.

thanks

eivoh sunwalker

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