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siros_vazren

Mon Apr 04, 2005 10:57 am

Unconstructive and flaming... I can do that.

I am pissed off at the situation, period. Official doc, blue-named folks' comments, and test center play has risen a BUNCH of concerns and questions. Yet, we get little or nothing from any red-named person. The thread on the other side of the clicky in the mass exidus thread has many constructive thoughts, real concerns, and patience. Yet, we have nothing from red-names and flames from the whiners who usually haunt the other profession forums. I can't fricking believe how people are flaming us for giving useful feedback like the devs ASKED for. Maybe its the fact that we are trying to help fix or change things for the better instead of screaming "Nerf! Nerf! Nerf! You killed my character! I'm quitting!". I don't know. This is just fricking stupid. We are being civil and helpful in trying to make CU good for our class, not to mention those classes that rely on what rangers do. Armorsmiths, medics, doctors, bio-engineers, tailors, and chefs recieve most of their high quantity resources from rangers. Rangers go poof, the craftershave to pay more to get the "novice scout" people to go out and hunt for them, which means higher cost for the finished goods to cover the increased cost. Look at it now and you can see that. Would bio-tissues or brandy be so fricking expensive if they didn't have to pay 5-20 cpu for meat? Rangers go poof, no doubt it can and likely will jump (yes, brandy will likely be gone post-CU, but other stuff will fill the gap they promise). Fewer rangers and it may be 50-60 cpu for crappy meat in large amounts.

Beat on us for 2 years with no reaction, shame on us. After 2 years of beating, make us nothing more than a newbie character that can harvest good....shame on everyone.

AND YOU TOOK THE SPIRIT OUT OF KREETLES! IS NOTHING SACRED?

lol

Siros Vazren

Wanderhome

Omega

Omega Lake

darmokVtS

Mon Apr 04, 2005 11:09 am

#15

MercerStorm wrote:
I think that Ranger has overtaken Smuggler,

There was no "overtaking" needed, as of current state of the game smuggler is in a much better state than ranger already (Trust me, I know what I talk about, see sig

).

Kope Sanisa, Medic / Imperial Pilot Ace
McGyver, Smuggler / Imperial Pilot Ace
Allanar Jansan, Commando / Freelance Pilot

Owen-Lars

Mon Apr 04, 2005 11:14 am

#16

Smuggler does need work, no doubt of that, and they are getting it so no fuss there. But i would say Ranger is much more in NEED of a revamp and work than any other profession currently in game. Vert (the CH corr) did try telling me that a ranger revamp would be a feature request though hehe and that a CH revamp should come first. Sufice to say i didnt agree with him.

THORTAC BALCOR
The Lost Ranger
RANGER

darmokVtS

Mon Apr 04, 2005 11:15 am

#17

Phenix1050 wrote:
but if the Ranger Revamp comes and we still don't have added health and we still don't have a lot of the skill that we asked for that will go to other professions

As I know you as a somewhat reasonable person (heh), what exactly is the source making you think you'll need that health bonus given your current template (tkm / master ranger, right?). I can only assume you know something noone else does or has overlooked, care to point me to the source saying "TKM (or any other combat elite mastery) won't give you the full 3k health"?

Kope Sanisa, Medic / Imperial Pilot Ace
McGyver, Smuggler / Imperial Pilot Ace
Allanar Jansan, Commando / Freelance Pilot

CuchulainnDarklight

Mon Apr 04, 2005 11:25 am

#18

Well,i posted a link to the smuggler thread on how their profession revamp progressed and, after a post from owen accusing me of "dev-bashing!", the post was promptly deleted!!!

Dev bashing?, all i did was post from another profession in the hopes that we could learn from what has gone before and not trust to the vagaries of chance!

To accuse me of such a thing was disgraceful and uncalled for, especially when i was just trying to bring another professions views on their revamp progess to the ranger community as a whole.

And to delete a post, which still exists in the smuggler forums, was an act of, dare I say it, Imperial proportions!

All I said was that we should judge the devs on their past performances in similar areas to gain an idea of how we will be dealt with, but, im afraid THAT kind of discussion is simply not tolerated.

So here is the link again -

http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=smuggler&message.id=81983&highlight=smuggler+history#M81983

But I should point out it may not have been OWEN who posted the one derogatory reply, it may have been someone else - but their name was blue and i am 65-70% it was him (the damn thread was deleted just before i hit the reply button and my memory is not what it once was - sigh!

Message Edited by CuchulainnDarklight on 04-04-2005 11:28 AM

Message Edited by CuchulainnDarklight on 04-04-2005 11:42 AM

...has mastered the Pilot profession
The above post does not represent the views or beliefs of the poster, his countrymen or government, or anyone he remotely knows or has heard of, though in a perfect world he would be the government and his word law. The above post is also wholly fictitious, and any resemblance to any persons or entities living or dead is purely coincidental. Unless, it sounds really cool, in which case its all true, really.
Use the test centre avatar if you have any issues with the NGE or SOE, like me!

darmokVtS

Mon Apr 04, 2005 11:51 am

#19

If you ask me, the smugglers got what they deserved, the amount of whining about how broken the profession is is not even remotly matching the actual state of the profession (again, I know what it speak about, see sig).

Quite likely the devs do see this comparable but just didn't want to endure the reaction on the 100% true "your profession is not that urgently in need of a revamp, many others need their love before you"

.

Message Edited by darmokVtS on 04-04-2005 08:52 PM

Kope Sanisa, Medic / Imperial Pilot Ace
McGyver, Smuggler / Imperial Pilot Ace
Allanar Jansan, Commando / Freelance Pilot

Phenix1050

Mon Apr 04, 2005 11:59 am

#20

darmokVtS wrote:
As I know you as a somewhat reasonable person (heh), what exactly is the source making you think you'll need that health bonus given your current template (tkm / master ranger, right?). I can only assume you know something noone else does or has overlooked, care to point me to the source saying "TKM (or any other combat elite mastery) won't give you the full 3k health"?

Just so you know, I don't have any definates. I have some scattered comments that I can't tell you about (stupid NDA)that lead me to believe something. TH said he would look into it, but I never heard back from him. So there isn't a definate. Which is why you'll notice I use the word "if" a lot. I have feelings that lead me to believe certain things. but I would never say I was 100% sure either way until we heard back from developers.

Publically speaking, mulitiple devs have stated that only "combat professions" get armor and health, and they specifically stated that doctors and CM would be getting them too, because many people don't view them as a combat class. The same is true of Rangers, but they didn't single us out in the same way, which leads me to believe they didn't add us in the health bonus.

now I can't be sure if TKM/Ranger will have 3000 health, but if they do, a Ranger/crafter should have 3000 health too, because Ranger IS a combat class.

PHE'NIX ANTARUS
BOTHAN ELDER RANGER
BEST LOOKINGSPY EVER--FOUNDER OF SATGWNIWNU
BURNING H*TPANTS SINCE 2003

This is horrible! I return to find my new title on the forum is "Jedi". What's up with that? If they wanted to confer that I'm rare and learned, they'd make my title RANGER. and then make it camo colored.

MercerStorm

Mon Apr 04, 2005 11:59 am

#21

darmokVtS wrote:

MercerStorm wrote:

I think that Ranger has overtaken Smuggler,

There was no "overtaking" needed, as of current state of the game smuggler is in a much better state than ranger already (Trust me, I know what I talk about, see sig ).

I have a Smuggler too. First character I made on launch day. And since day one up until very recently, Smuggler was the whipping-boy of the professions.First off,there was the artificial cap on buying FP that was just lifted recently. The interface for buying and selling FPis horrid. The autopull bugfor slicing tools was known about on TC and repeatedly mentionedand still made it into live, even though the devs said it wouldn't makeit that far,and is still there today. Spices got beat down with the Chef revamp. The Underworld tree has been exceptionally useless, especially if you're a Civilian. The Master box has been blank since day one, even though it actually does confer benefits. And to top it all off, due to Jedi abuse and BH whining, Feign Death got savaged with the nerf bat. That's just everything I can remember at the moment. I'm sure I've forgotten something.

Ranger on the otherhand, has been largely ignored. Not much of anything has happened since launch. A couple of things here and there have been added, but overall not a hell of a lot has happened with the profession. Not due to a lack of trying though. The biggest problem with Ranger has been, to me anyway, that the devs didn't really know what to do with the profession. That in turn led to being ignored unless enough noise was made to get them to pay attention for a moment.

In my opinion, based on what I've seen and read, both professions have been rotting away in the corner since launch. Smuggler was just the one that the devs like to kick in the head more often. Up until all of this CU stuff anyway. Now they're allowed to eat at the grown-up's table, while Ranger stays with the kids.

Again, I'm not blasting the Smugglers on this. They've earned it, butso have Rangers. I just don't think we're going to get anything out this though. Iwant to be wrong.

Ekaran Haise'Tah, Bothan Master Ranger. December 2003 - November 2005.
Once a Ranger, always a Ranger.
Keep the fires lit.
See you out there.....

Owen-Lars

Mon Apr 04, 2005 5:22 pm

#22

CuchulainnDarklight Wrote:

"Well,i posted a link to the smuggler thread on how their profession revamp progressed and, after a post from owen accusing me of "dev-bashing!", the post was promptly deleted!!!

Dev bashing?, all i did was post from another profession in the hopes that we could learn from what has gone before and not trust to the vagaries of chance!

To accuse me of such a thing was disgraceful and uncalled for, especially when i was just trying to bring another professions views on their revamp progess to the ranger community as a whole.

And to delete a post, which still exists in the smuggler forums, was an act of, dare I say it, Imperial proportions!

All I said was that we should judge the devs on their past performances in similar areas to gain an idea of how we will be dealt with, but, im afraid THAT kind of discussion is simply not tolerated.

So here is the link again -

http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=smuggler&message.id=81983&highlight=smuggler+history#M81983

But I should point out it may not have been OWEN who posted the one derogatory reply, it may have been someone else - but their name was blue and i am 65-70% it was him (the damn thread was deleted just before i hit the reply button and my memory is not what it once was - sigh!

Message Edited by CuchulainnDarklight on 04-04-2005 11:28 AM

Message Edited by CuchulainnDarklight on 04-04-2005 11:42 AM

Weee, you found one of many threads where that post should of been posted. /clap

THORTAC BALCOR
The Lost Ranger
RANGER

CuchulainnDarklight

Mon Apr 04, 2005 5:42 pm

#23

EDITED!!!

"Uhh, situation normal, we had a slight weapons malfunction, but everythings fine now. We're all right now, How are you?"

Message Edited by CuchulainnDarklight on 04-04-2005 09:53 PM

...has mastered the Pilot profession
The above post does not represent the views or beliefs of the poster, his countrymen or government, or anyone he remotely knows or has heard of, though in a perfect world he would be the government and his word law. The above post is also wholly fictitious, and any resemblance to any persons or entities living or dead is purely coincidental. Unless, it sounds really cool, in which case its all true, really.
Use the test centre avatar if you have any issues with the NGE or SOE, like me!

DND_Cas

Mon Apr 04, 2005 5:52 pm

#24

I think I'll change the writing on my ranger gravestone to:

"Here lies cas....and he's ****** annoyed!"

Previously: Master Ranger/Master Fencer
Now: Master Tailor/Merchant/Commando

Vorpaks

Mon Apr 04, 2005 5:52 pm

#25

I dont think I can top that unconstructive post.

And I wanted to flame too. Now I am sad.