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Thread: So... Ranger's now the only profession requiring full mastery of another first??

Omegaplex
Sun May 22, 2005 5:56 pm
#1

Wow, I always wanted to get some Ranger skills, but it's SOO expensive compared to everything else now... and more broken!


Hope the devs hammer that out for you guys and those of us with severe, Ranger-style wanderlust



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GunFu
Mon May 23, 2005 9:50 am
#2

Hopefully it will change soon, Im hoping for a skill point reduction.

Message Edited by GunFu on 05-23-2005 01:13 PM



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AgonThalia
Mon May 23, 2005 10:06 am
#3






GunFu wrote:
It will change soo, Im hoping for scout 4400 as a pre-req.






I certainly hope not...


I enjoy being a master scout and think that it fits well with what we do. How can we justify not having the harvesting or the trapping line when that are the only things that make us unique.


no one else uses traps, and by removing the harvesting line would negate a lot of the harvesting bonuses that we have.


I dont care about point loss, if the end result is worth it.





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GunFu
Mon May 23, 2005 10:15 am
#4

Well then scout 0440 will suit me fine. SLs need scout 0004, CHs need scout 4040, BHs need scout 4000 and rangers need master just isnt fair with the current balancing. If we go to 0440 scout or something like that I can be MBH/master ranger/CH 0304 and be much more usefull and effective. But thats just me. Others can use the skill points to be better at killing. I think a skill point reduction is needed.

Message Edited by GunFu on 05-23-2005 01:12 PM



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Eavik
Mon May 23, 2005 10:25 am
#5

I tend to agree that it's hard to imagine having Ranger without all the skill trees in Scout as well. Terrain Negotiation, Trapping, Creature Knowledge/Harvesting and Camping are all needed for Ranger.


Maybe if they just changed it similar to the way they did Image Designer, knock a skill point off of each box in Ranger. That would free up an extra 16 skill points and allow you to do get Master Ranger, a Master Pistol/Carb/Rifle, plus a full tree in BH or SL....or Master Ranger, Master CH, Master SL...and many other combinations like that.

AgonThalia
Mon May 23, 2005 10:28 am
#6







GunFu wrote:
A skill point reduction is needed and is coming.

Would you mind providing documentation on that?






Secondly:


I respectfully disagree with your assertations of benefits about the changes of pre-reqs for rangers. Not that i dont believe you... I just like being a master scout too. (please dont mistake my questions or disagreement as beligerent. I like most of your opinions and ideas, but my intention is to facilitate intelligent debate on the skill point reduction idea.)


True: it makes sense that a doctor should be a master medic and yet its not.


It makes sense that a ranger would also be a master scout. However, until rangers are given a role and a definition that is unique and viable, then talking about skill point reductions are a bit premature.


-very respectfully.




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GunFu
Mon May 23, 2005 10:51 am
#7

I understand all your views I really do. I just think that with this big of a skill point sink we should be way more viable than we are now.



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AgonThalia
Mon May 23, 2005 10:55 am
#8

And our goals are the same...


I think that our process is different

1: Keep master scout and make ranger viable on its own.

2: Reduce skill points and allow ranger's viability come from another source, like squad leader or CH.


I prefer #1



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GunFu
Mon May 23, 2005 11:07 am
#9

I sad had to drop master ranger to be able to get lvl 24 pets and most important train creatures to mount. Im now MBH/ranger 3444/CH 0004, so yes, I hope they change the skill points. Just hope I will be as effective not having master.



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BioEngine
Mon May 23, 2005 11:12 am
#10






GunFu wrote:
Well then scout 0440 will suit me fine. SLs need scout 0004, CHs need scout 4040, BHs need scout 4000 and rangers need master just isnt fair with the current balancing. If we go to 0440 scout or something like that I can be MBH/master ranger/CH 0304 and be much more usefull and effective. But thats just me. Others can use the skill points to be better at killing. A skill point reduction is needed and is coming.




If mastery of scout were ever removed from our prerequisites, then whatever branches we would no longer require would be removed from our Ranger skill trees and replaced by something else. This is why there is disaggreement among the community over whether or not we should be required to master Scout before taking novice Ranger. Every skill tree in Ranger corresponds to one in Scout. Trapping for trapping, camps for camps, concealment for concealment, and knowledge / harvesting for knowledge / harvesting.




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GunFu
Mon May 23, 2005 11:18 am
#11

Well, look at master bounty hunter, they use carbs, pistols, and rifles, but dont have to have those trees. And the same for doc and cm. A skill point reduction of some kind is coming. If not they would have to make us much more viable to the point where everyone would go ranger, lol.



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GunFu
Mon May 23, 2005 1:11 pm
#12

Yea, Im very annoyed also but try to look on the brighter side. Im sry for not being specific on my statement.



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Arkadius_Radd
Mon May 23, 2005 3:12 pm
#13

Now you see what the Devs have done to us? They're turning us against each other. The Sith ain't got nothing on the Devs.



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