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Thread: Just want to check somethin....
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Lobaca-Scylla
Mon Oct 04, 2004 7:23 am
#1
I was on yarvin last night a very good herb shift has hit on our server and myself being a doctor I want to grab some. I have a ranger 0040 so w/ Master Rifleman so I tend to hunt solo because of the harvest penalty in groups. Another ranger had a considerable group going and invited me to join their group I explained i needed as much as possible and would have to decline. He explained that his group was taking missions destroying everything disbanding - this allowed everyone to harvest at full pop - then regrouping and movinig on.
Is this something that has been discussed as an exploit? Or is this something alot of people are doing these days...i recently returned to the game after a three month break and have not seen this discussed before anywhere.
Lobaca
Is this something that has been discussed as an exploit? Or is this something alot of people are doing these days...i recently returned to the game after a three month break and have not seen this discussed before anywhere.
Lobaca
PetaByte32
Mon Oct 04, 2004 7:30 am
#2
I dont know if its an exploit or not. I would find it rather time consuming having to group ungroup. So I would stay out and go it alone.
My question is this. I aint calling you a liar I just wonder about your skills. You say your a doctor, ranger 0040, and master rifleman. How is that possible? Master Rifleman, Scout, and Medic plus at least novice doctor, ranger 0040, and Rifles IV. Maybe I cant count.
According to the web character builder you should be 22 points in the whole just with novice doctor.
Tyranus
JascoSmlee
Mon Oct 04, 2004 7:42 am
#3
I would have thought that once the group dispanded it would only be the best ninja harvester who would benefit?
Fodder650
Mon Oct 04, 2004 9:28 am
#4
Once the group disbands your down to just your two missions. But it is time consuming to do this. I dont think its an exploit though. Since the timing needed to get everyone back is to much
Calculus_Entropy
Mon Oct 04, 2004 9:33 am
#5
PetaByte...I assume he has a doctor character and an alt that is a Ranger.
Whether or not this is an exploit has yet to be determined. I am not sure if solo-grouping (the real issue here) has been deemed an exploit by the devs.
I would think that in the time it takes everyone to regroup after they run their misions (solo), it would have been more efficient to just run missions in the group the whole time. The extra bit you get from being ungrouped is offset by the time it takes to reform the group to get missions again.
Whether or not this is an exploit has yet to be determined. I am not sure if solo-grouping (the real issue here) has been deemed an exploit by the devs.
I would think that in the time it takes everyone to regroup after they run their misions (solo), it would have been more efficient to just run missions in the group the whole time. The extra bit you get from being ungrouped is offset by the time it takes to reform the group to get missions again.
Lobaca-Scylla
Mon Oct 04, 2004 9:41 am
#6
Multiple characters.
Lobaca is MTK/MMD
Malizsna is Medic 4100, Ranger 0040, Master Scout, Marskaman 4000, and Master Rifleman.
as for time consuming its easy....if youthink about it....create a macro like this:
/disband;
/pause 30;
/invite bob;
/invite jack;
/invite (insert next group member nameher)
the leader hits it at the end of each lair....and if someons not done harvesting just dont clikc join yet. Thats how we worked it last night when we did it worked great. For my wife and I we farmed 2x the meat doing it this fasion together over the same period of time as we did doing missions solo. Its definatly more meat.
Lobaca is MTK/MMD
Malizsna is Medic 4100, Ranger 0040, Master Scout, Marskaman 4000, and Master Rifleman.
as for time consuming its easy....if youthink about it....create a macro like this:
/disband;
/pause 30;
/invite bob;
/invite jack;
/invite (insert next group member nameher)
the leader hits it at the end of each lair....and if someons not done harvesting just dont clikc join yet. Thats how we worked it last night when we did it worked great. For my wife and I we farmed 2x the meat doing it this fasion together over the same period of time as we did doing missions solo. Its definatly more meat.
Piroa
Mon Oct 04, 2004 9:44 am
#7
Lobaca-Scylla wrote:
He explained that his group was 1. taking missions 2. destroying everything 3. disbanding - this allowed everyone to harvest at full pop - then 4. regrouping and 5. movinig on.
Lobaca
To me, this looks like he's saying. They group up and get their missions. Then they, as a group, do the missions. After they kill whatever is at the wp, they disband. Then they harvest. Then they regroup. Repeat until all missions are completed.
It does seem that the disbanding and regrouping would take a while. Also, once they disband, can they all still harvest? That seems to be what they were doing. That definetly sounds like an exploit to me, because they are working around the group limitation.
Lobaca-Scylla
Mon Oct 04, 2004 9:45 am
#8
Just to be clear i normally before last night hunted completly alone....no group whats so ever...buffed i could farm about 10k in two hours by myself off tybis doing misisons. My wife doing the same at the same time gathered approximatly the same.
After this guy explained the above tactic my wife and I tried it together.
We would kill the lair spawn and lair. Both of us would harvest from every creature. Yes both, from each. No penalty to harvest. At the end of two hours we had 40k meat between us instead of 20k which was how much we had had in the previous 2 hour session.
Its not like loot because loot is a single item for each person. People retain looting rights even after disbanding it would become ninja but for harveters everyone earns the privledge and the peanlty comes from bing grouped.
Lobaca
After this guy explained the above tactic my wife and I tried it together.
We would kill the lair spawn and lair. Both of us would harvest from every creature. Yes both, from each. No penalty to harvest. At the end of two hours we had 40k meat between us instead of 20k which was how much we had had in the previous 2 hour session.
Its not like loot because loot is a single item for each person. People retain looting rights even after disbanding it would become ninja but for harveters everyone earns the privledge and the peanlty comes from bing grouped.
Lobaca
JascoSmlee
Mon Oct 04, 2004 9:50 am
#9
If you are not talking about 'solo' grouping, then it def. sounds like a bug to me.
Calculus_Entropy
Mon Oct 04, 2004 9:58 am
#10
I y'all were working on the same lairs, and were not grouped, you should not have been able to harvest critters that you did not get the kill on (i.e. the most damage). If you used a group to get missions, then disbanded and went your seperate ways, I don't believe it was an exploit.
Piroa
Mon Oct 04, 2004 10:00 am
#11
Sounds like they did the mission as a group, then disbanded to harvest, then regrouped. So, they kill everything as a group, then harvest solo.
Can you say EXPLOIT? I knew you could.
Nemo0
Mon Oct 04, 2004 11:27 am
#12
It used to be that disbanding after the kill still imposed the group harvest penalty. If this is no longer true, then we have a new bug (and what is probably an exploit as it did not work like this originally). Are you sure you were getting full resource pulls on the kills after disbanding?
Fred_Skinner
Mon Oct 04, 2004 11:37 am
#13
This is a bug that no one wants to report. The kill and harvest rights is retained on the server correctly but not the grouped 60% flag. You should still have only 60% when you disband and harvest and it is not doing this.
I suspect that now that you posted said bug, there will be a patch comming. I never did this, as it was too painfull to change a macro for every group I would form (seldom was it the same group and I didn't really want to bother, truth be told).
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