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Thread: The Problem With The New Maintenance Rule.......Serious Issue
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Ham-Jo
Fri Feb 18, 2005 8:50 am
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Im growing more and more aggravated with the new maintenance rule with it being taken out of your bank.
This is why.
It started about this tent that i have in my city that was left there once player A was removed from our guild. She left it there for a friend of hers (player B) that was still in the same guild. Well the removal of Player A had ticked off Player B for quite some time, and caused problems in the guild for about 5-6months after the fact. He was then removed for those problems. He is not longer a citizen of the city, but keeps putting maintenance in the tent. A CSR was contacted, and he was told not to put any more money into the tent. Thought the problem was solved there.
Here is the problem, the orginal owner was a successful architect that has not played in over a year. With the new rule that the money will come out of your bank now, this tent will stay there forever, and that simply cannot happen. This tent and a few others are empty in our city. I need these structures to decay so we can get people in here to have new tents to sell their wares.
There is virtualy no tax money coming in now because out of the 13 tents that we have in the merchant square, only 5-6 are active because people have just quit or are just not selling stuff anymore.
Its really not fair that a mayor works hard to organize his city, and then people just quit and not pick up their structures. This is not fair to the citizens of the city where they live because we then CANNOT replace those structures with someone that will have things to sell on vendors because of the city layout.
Basically under this new system that was implemented, all structures will stand until that person runs out of money in the bank, and everyone else has to suffer because we have to wait til that happens, would could at least take 18 months as with this merchant tent.
I have another merchant tent that has stood for at least 10 months since the guy quit the game, he even left it on his tent sign that he quit.
Something has to be done about this, as its a serious issue.
I had thoughts of making merchant tents a City item only, and having the mayors be able to place them only as well. The merchant tents would not be able to be picked up if if there are vendors inside, but if youse vendors poof, then the mayor holds the right as organizer of the city to pick up that tent, or put other people on the admin list to place other vendors in there. Also give the mayors the right to name the structres at any time in case that such of a thing happens.
Please discuss if you have had simular problems, and please add any suggestions that you guys may have.
I have sent in numerous tickets, and have gotten the same answer, that they will not remove structures. How does this able a city to be successful and bring more citizens that play in if these structures (houses, factories, tents...ect) never decay until you literally run out of money?
Message Edited by Ham-Jo on 02-18-2005 09:51 AM
Pappi
Fri Feb 18, 2005 12:52 pm
#2
first, please don't msg me to read threads (I do read every post, you just need to wait until I wake up), and I'm not a man 
now for the more serious note... the devs did say there will be purges, otherwise I wouldn't have let the subject drop so easily before they pushed the patch.
merchant tent are just fancy houses, don't let someone you don't trust will follow directions place one.
now for the more serious note... the devs did say there will be purges, otherwise I wouldn't have let the subject drop so easily before they pushed the patch.
merchant tent are just fancy houses, don't let someone you don't trust will follow directions place one.
Ham-Jo
Fri Feb 18, 2005 2:37 pm
#3
Pappi wrote:
first, please don't msg me to read threads (I do read every post, you just need to wait until I wake up), and I'm not a man
now for the more serious note... the devs did say there will be purges, otherwise I wouldn't have let the subject drop so easily before they pushed the patch.
merchant tent are just fancy houses, don't let someone you don't trust will follow directions place one.
The purges are not good enough. Nothing has been deleted from the city from the first purge.
Also im sorry but the answer to the merchant tents that you gave, just isnt good enough.
If someone is a merchant in my city, or any other city for that matter,,,,,,your telling me i should get to know them and and learn to trust them before they place a tent? Do you play this game Pappi?
It doesnt work like that. And following directions is fine and dandy. I send them emails on steps to take if they decide to leave the game or whatnot....that doesnt mean they are followed. Also in this case, i did know the person that dropped the tents.....they left it on purpose to tick me and the other citizens off. I just cant prove it for the CSR's.
And on the first note, sorry for sending you the PM...some Coorespondants dont check everything.
Janann
Fri Feb 18, 2005 2:48 pm
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Ham-Jo wrote:
If someone is a merchant in my city, or any other city for that matter,,,,,,your telling me i should get to know them and and learn to trust them before they place a tent? Do you play this game Pappi?
I agree, the current system is quite bad what comes to tents. I know some cities have even moved because of empty tents nobody can remove. To prevent this I just don't let anyone place a tent, and I recommendthat you do the same.That's the best advice you can be givenwith the current system, or get some merchant skill yourself(0400 merchant) and rent tents for your crafters. That's what I have done too.
Pappi
Fri Feb 18, 2005 6:17 pm
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Ham-Jo wrote:
Pappi wrote:
first, please don't msg me to read threads (I do read every post, you just need to wait until I wake up), and I'm not a man
now for the more serious note... the devs did say there will be purges, otherwise I wouldn't have let the subject drop so easily before they pushed the patch.
merchant tent are just fancy houses, don't let someone you don't trust will follow directions place one.The purges are not good enough. Nothing has been deleted from the city from the first purge.
Also im sorry but the answer to the merchant tents that you gave, just isnt good enough.
If someone is a merchant in my city, or any other city for that matter,,,,,,your telling me i should get to know them and and learn to trust them before they place a tent? Do you play this game Pappi?
It doesnt work like that. And following directions is fine and dandy. I send them emails on steps to take if they decide to leave the game or whatnot....that doesnt mean they are followed. Also in this case, i did know the person that dropped the tents.....they left it on purpose to tick me and the other citizens off. I just cant prove it for the CSR's.
And on the first note, sorry for sending you the PM...some Coorespondants dont check everything.
I'm not even going to comment on your question about me playing the game or not... if you don't trust me and what I've done on this, feel free to bring this up with someone else. I'm not a dev nor a CSR, and I don't get paid for answering questions and solving problems for people.
my city has a merchant area with tents placed by one person (who have since left the game), and folks are not allowed to place their own merchant tents. we have an application process for folks who wants to become a citizen, and we don't have people putting down tents (or even structures) just to "piss us off".
Ham-Jo
Fri Feb 18, 2005 6:39 pm
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Pappi wrote:
I'm not even going to comment on your question about me playing the game or not... if you don't trust me and what I've done on this, feel free to bring this up with someone else. I'm not a dev nor a CSR, and I don't get paid for answering questions and solving problems for people.
my city has a merchant area with tents placed by one person (who have since left the game), and folks are not allowed to place their own merchant tents. we have an application process for folks who wants to become a citizen, and we don't have people putting down tents (or even structures) just to "piss us off".
No you dont get paid for answering questions, or solving problems. BUT you did take on a posistion to do those things for free Pappi.
Thats why things like this come to you.
This is a problem, weither or not you want to deal with it.
And please note that i did not say they placed them to piss us off, i said that they wouldnt pick them up to piss us off. And i must even clarify that even further because it was just one that will not pick it up because she was removed for her bad behavoir from my guild. The others have either quit or took a very long break.
I also have a application process to get into my guild, and let me tell ya, people lie. They have a monitor to hide behind and dont care. The person that was removed and has that tent was the sweetest girl i had ever known, but when she acted a fool, she was voted to be removed, and thats what i had to do was remove her. So dont think for a second that a application process is the savior of this problem. It might delay it, but trust me this is there.
There needs to be something done that CSR are able to remove these objects from the world. I mean come on. One tent has been there for over a YEAR!!! ONE YEAR!!! thats insane! THe other almost 10 months. The purge didnt take either of them. And now with the new maintenance thing, they are gonna be there even longer. YEah i like the idea about them being on one persons lots, but i do not know one person that is willing to donate 10 lots when they are most likely the most precious thing that a char has.
Basically, this is a system and a dilema that needs to be more than just looked at, something needs to be done about it period.
Rowgue
Sat Feb 19, 2005 10:30 pm
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Hey Ham-Jo
This is exactly what happens when you let people you don't know place structures in your town. YES you are supposed to get to know people and know that you can trust them before you let them place a structure in your town. And if you have a guild already then just give them admin long enough to throw thier vendors down in the guild hall and then revoke it. If they leave or you kick them out, then you only have an annoying vendor that won't go away, much better than a tent or small house to deal with.
Honestly I'm really getting tired of Mayors screaming about how they have all of these inactive players in their cities and they need a way to do removals of mass quantities of structures from the city. I have had many players either move away from my city or quit the game since we established our town many many months ago. I have yet to have one of them leave without a word and leave all of their structures taking up space in town. This is only a reflection of how haphazardly someone has "recruited" people to move into their city just so they could get a shuttleport as soon as possible.
Finally, please tell me you did not PM the correspondentlike yours was the only issue out there and ifthey didn't respond to it when you wantedthem to then you had some right to harrass them. This will never happen for one very easy to understand reason. They will never give someone another player the power to delete anything that you own, unless you knowingly place items inside a structure that someone else owns and you take the risks accociated with that. Even if they did decide to do this the first time some arrogant mayor deleted someones house with everything they own in it just to spite them, it would be gone the next day. So please people stop complaining to the correspondent about this issue, it will never happen and it never should happen, you just have to be more careful about who you do business with.
Poohba
Sun Feb 20, 2005 12:39 am
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Excuse me Rowgue but it sounds like you are living large in a true Nirvanna but that isnt always the case.
I am currently the mayor of a lvl5 City on Flurry and our mayor up and left the game without a word. She did the recruiting and I knew several of the people that placed and then left their tents (including 5 tents owned my the mayor). Is it my fault that this was all done some 7 months before I took office? No, but on the other hand I did agree to take office in a city that was ina bit of disarray and I understood that choice, but it would be nice to give mayors some control of our own city. Yes we have an application process now, and I doplace tents for people for the first month or two and then transfer them over once they have proved their worth but overall some tools to deal with these situations would be nice. We cannot be given control of another players property, we cannot have the power to remove someone elses house/tent/shack whatever that would be a disaster waiting to happen but giving us the ability to close a tent or condemn a house may and should be possible.
A. Perhaps a set of basic criteria can be put in place to removetents/houses automatically. Right now if a vendor goes uncheck it will hold your items for 30-60 days then the vendor will poof. Perhaps a similar standard can be used fortents and housessuch as if a tent/house goes unused to the point of dipping into the bank for a full month or two the items can be crated up into a special inventory or bank vault and be held for the account until the account is reactivated or purged. If the account is reactivated the person has the option of paying what the maintance fee would have been for the items and they get their items back. If the account is purged then thats all the better for the database.
B. Perhaps mayors can be givenlimited Admin rights to any tent placed in their city, one that doesnt give them the right to remove said tent or even take the items from the tent but grants them the right to add other people to "CityAdmin" on the tent so that thetent can still be used and/or transfered after a waiting period of (one month, maybe two three?? I dont know for sure) to another person who then would own the tent outright. (newer idea, dont have the details worked out but you get the general idea)
C. Any house/tent ect that uses the bank paid maintance for a month or two is simply removed from the game. I know the devs cant/dont want to do this though as they want to leave people something to come back to but a line must be drawn somewhere to show how much they will let an inactive account slide on before they become less important then the paying customer.
D. All maintance based items in a city that go over a 3 month period of bank pay become default property of the mayor or militia or both and must be removed manually by one of said people within 72 hours of notification. Weeeee free stuff for the hard working mayors and militia. 
E. Any tent without a vendor in it or a vendor that isntfully stocked is found in violation of Imperial Code 8675309 (also not a bad song)and is raided by Stormtroopers and their pityfull stock is laid to waste around the tent/house as it burns for 2 full days and the owner is sent emails laughing at them and charging them HUGE fee's to have the city's fire department put it out.
Okay MAY have gotten off track but really we should be given some options or the game should have some time periods imposed on these houses/tents for the better of all player city's.
Ham-Jo
Sun Feb 20, 2005 11:44 am
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Rowgue wrote:
Hey Ham-Jo
This is exactly what happens when you let people you don't know place structures in your town. YES you are supposed to get to know people and know that you can trust them before you let them place a structure in your town. And if you have a guild already then just give them admin long enough to throw thier vendors down in the guild hall and then revoke it. If they leave or you kick them out, then you only have an annoying vendor that won't go away, much better than a tent or small house to deal with.
Honestly I'm really getting tired of Mayors screaming about how they have all of these inactive players in their cities and they need a way to do removals of mass quantities of structures from the city. I have had many players either move away from my city or quit the game since we established our town many many months ago. I have yet to have one of them leave without a word and leave all of their structures taking up space in town. This is only a reflection of how haphazardly someone has "recruited" people to move into their city just so they could get a shuttleport as soon as possible.
Finally, please tell me you did not PM the correspondentlike yours was the only issue out there and ifthey didn't respond to it when you wantedthem to then you had some right to harrass them. This will never happen for one very easy to understand reason. They will never give someone another player the power to delete anything that you own, unless you knowingly place items inside a structure that someone else owns and you take the risks accociated with that. Even if they did decide to do this the first time some arrogant mayor deleted someones house with everything they own in it just to spite them, it would be gone the next day. So please people stop complaining to the correspondent about this issue, it will never happen and it never should happen, you just have to be more careful about who you do business with.
You sir, need to look a little more deeper into this problem.
First off, yes i did PM Pappi to make sure he looks at this. I have 4 chars, all different professions and have posted in or on issues in other professions forums, and not to hear a word from the coorespondant until he/she was PM'ed. It is not your place to question what i did, and Pappi and i already have discussed it, so that point it mute, and wasnt needed to be brought up again.
Secondly.....for your little "trust and get to know" speech.
People quit. People find other games to play, and people get frustrated with the game, and just leave. AND FOR THE THIRD TIME since you dont want to read anythign that was actually written, the girl that placed her tent that is still there, was a very close friend for over 7-8 months. THen some things took place that she went off the deep end about, and did some terrible things.
So your little speech about getting to know someone CAN ALWAYS back fire without you even knowing it.
If you dont think this can happen, then you are truely playing this game with your eyes closed, and ignoring the asshattery that can happen.
Pappi
Sun Feb 20, 2005 2:05 pm
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well, apparently you don't pay much attention... I've already stated once in this thread (and many times in others) that I'm not a man, yet you keep referring to me as a "he".
Ham-Jo
Sun Feb 20, 2005 2:49 pm
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And thanks for the three people that gave me three one stars. Probably the same person with three accounts.
This is a valid topic, dispite what some of you may think. Its not about "make sure you know the people"
People slip through the cracks. People DO just up and quit without warning dispite what a couple of you may think.
But people like that who one star for someone having a true problem, and have taken steps forward to fix it, but the past things are still lingering are truely immature and need to grow up.
And the fact that the Politician coorespondant sits there and picks something out of my post except for the actual problem seems to show maybe why the politcian profession is not moving forward as it should.
Thats my opinion and I will probably be flamed for it, but oh well. Actions speak louder than words.
Message Edited by Ham-Jo on 02-20-2005 03:50 PM
Ham-Jo
Sun Feb 20, 2005 2:56 pm
#13
Pappi wrote:
well, apparently you don't pay much attention... I've already stated once in this thread (and many times in others) that I'm not a man, yet you keep referring to me as a "he".
Why dont you remove your thread too that my response was directed at?
Again, that is petty AND DOES NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE THREAD.
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