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Thread: /mood sarcasm ... And the best part (warning this is a vent so just skip unless you're too curious)
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Moonkat
Tue Feb 08, 2005 8:47 pm
#1
My RP city on Scylla I'm growing for the purpose of bringing Star Wars into the game on a server that is otherwise rife with griefing, exploitation and the like was denied growth Sunday night because of the city cap.
If there is a city cap here - why have there been and are still 11 cities with shuttleports on the three main planets of my server as well as other servers? What was it that made those cities able to advance butdid not apply to mine? One of the current cities on Tatooine, Mos Nakina, was itself an 11th city when it advanced last summer during the period of time that my city did have a shuttleport.
Today a ghost townthat was being kept at city by non-existent citizens finally sank to township thanks to some people I was able to contact to revoke their citizenship. However, if one of the other rank 3 cities gets 8 more citizens by their update tomorrow, they will advance to city rank 4, and my town will still be screwed.
I'm not registered on image dump - but here is the excerpt from chat at login today when a CSR confirmed this to me:
CSRChristopherS: After the server demotes the other city it will make an available slot. When the next city that qualifies runs maintenance it will be promoted and fill that slot.
Moonkat: that's so not fair
Moonkat: I have the email saying we weren't allowed to advance
Moonkat: so basically we're screwed
CSRChristopherS: Its (sic) fair, and impartial. It just doesn't take age of the city into account,
Moonkat: it's NOT fair
Moonkat: because we grew before they did
I'm basically venting right now & praying that the other city isn't able to find 8 people by tomorrow, not because I wish them ill, but because I don't think it's fair for them to get the slot we qualified for first. What this means is that you could have a city sitting above 55 waiting for a shuttle for months, but if a slot comes available and some younger city updates before you do - they will get that slot & you're still screwed. To me, this Isn't fair. I don't see how anyone can think that is fair.
There's nothing that can be done about it apparently. I'm not going to ask the mayor of that town to not try to get 8 more citizens because the game is screwing me over. He's legitimately working hard on growing a town.
What irritates me is the town in western Tatooine that someone made with nearly 50 cross-server trades worth of residents for a Jedi-grind town. Yes, a Jedi grind town in western Tatooine. She puts the shuttle down when they're playing and picks it up when they log. I know technically that is fine and dandy, but it violates the spirit of what player cities are supposed to be, especially when she's keeping a town that has a reason to be on Tatooine from having a shuttleport and being able to provide a positive and fun place to be for the entire server, not just her and her alts. In my mind if you are going to do something that selfish you should do it on a planet like Rori or Talus. That isn't even taking into account that it's rather pointless to have a Jedi grind fortress on Tatooine. Yes, I got to guardian killing kreetles!
Anyway, I needed to vent my frustrations about this - but I also wanted to let everyone know that the CSRs think it is fair for an older city who's had to wait to miss out getting a shuttle if a younger city updates after a slot becomes available before they do.
Take care & thanks for the empathy. 
Pappi
Tue Feb 08, 2005 10:14 pm
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I sympathize, however senority doesn't factor into updates, and it's an in game mechanic that isn't set by CSRs.
Moonkat
Tue Feb 08, 2005 11:01 pm
#3
I know, that's my point in posting. I don't think that is right.
Jaspor
Wed Feb 09, 2005 7:59 am
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Yeah, that does kinda suck. Mechanics wise though, I don't really see what else they could do... I mean, I suppose once a city loses rank, it could set off some logic that immediately goes and checks all cities on the planet and promotes it the deserving one at that time (though, I believe, this would be based on the largest population size, not the oldest city) and do it then. That'd probably be a fairly significant change though, and wouldn't expect to see it happen. Especially considering the potential for it to break other stuff and the fact that we're still waiting for them to fix sales tax.
My best advice to you would be this: don't get discouraged. There are some people out there who are not quite so lazy that they won't come to your town just because you don't have a shuttle. A nice ride through the desert on a swoop can be a refreshing thing now and again. 
Plan some events, advertise it, give people directions on how to reach your town most easily, and keep on doing what you're trying to do. It seems the Event Team is starting to take more notice of Guilds and Towns who hold RP events (we've had a couple Darth Vader and other NPCs controlled by Devs on Chilastra in the past week), so if you start to build a rep, more people will visit, and things will grow.
Plan some events, advertise it, give people directions on how to reach your town most easily, and keep on doing what you're trying to do. It seems the Event Team is starting to take more notice of Guilds and Towns who hold RP events (we've had a couple Darth Vader and other NPCs controlled by Devs on Chilastra in the past week), so if you start to build a rep, more people will visit, and things will grow.
JarrekConell
Wed Feb 09, 2005 10:26 am
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That is our intent exactly. However, it also seems that the town that keeps picking up and putting down their shuttle is exploiting the system in a big way. I mean, is a shuttleport like a drawbridge? Perhaps what should also be counted at the time of the refresh is the number of shuttleports ACTIVE on the planet, so if someone is too cheap to keep theirs down so that it can be used by more than just their few people that they lose it.
Jaspor
Wed Feb 09, 2005 10:37 am
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Did you mention the Jedi town adding and removing the shuttleport at whim to the CSRs?
Worth a shot. I'm not sure they'd really consider it an exploit, but it sure is sketchy. And the cross-server citizens is a bit sleazy as well. They did that one-time purge of citizens that did not long in for X amount of weeks, but I don't think they plan on putting that back in anytime soon.
Moonkat
Wed Feb 09, 2005 11:26 am
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I made a reply explaining a bunch but I keep getting a style warning that won't let me post & I don't feel like trying to type the whole thing out again. Just pretend by reading this that you were greatly enlightened and emotionally moved. 
Jaspor
Wed Feb 09, 2005 11:55 am
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Heh, yeah, that style thing is annoying.
Usually it happens when you try to quote someone.
So either don't use a quote if you're getting that, or click the "Edit As HTML" link at the bottom, and remove any style tags you see in there.
Oh, and, so I don't forget... *pretends to be enlightened and emotionally moved!*
Wow, thanks, that was great insight, you're absolutely right! 
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