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Thread: Devs: Why don't you use the tools at hand?

Emshan
Tue Dec 09, 2003 8:43 am
#1

Okay another thread about the /citywarn feature. Not to beat a dead horse, but why won't you simply enforce the anti-grieifing policies set forth in the Rules of Conduct?


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12. You will not exploit any bug in Star Wars Galaxies, and you will not communicate the existence of any such exploitable bug either directly or through public posting, to any other Sony Station member. You will promptly report such bugs via the /bug command in-game or by emailing [email protected]. Exploitable bugs include, but are not limited to bugs that grant the user unnatural or unintended benefits in-game.


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Under this provision,if a group of players builds a city near a PoI, with the intent of blocking players from that content they are abusing the system to grant themselves unintended benefits in game - exclusive PoI content. This exploit should be treated like any other. However, this is not the only provision dealing with this type of activity.


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In addition to the general guidelines listed in the aforementioned article, players are also subject to these supplementary rules while playing Star Wars Galaxies. While by no means an all-inclusive list of the do's and don'ts in Star Wars Galaxies, it provides a suitable foundation by which the player can determine what activities are appropriate:


2. To expound upon the general guidelines, you may not harass other players. Harassment is defined as specifically targeting another player or group of players to harm or inconvenience them. Harassment can take many forms, as it goes to the state-of-mind of the person or Squad on the receiving end of the action. However, in order to account for those who are more sensitive than others, the CSR involved will make a determination as to whether or not thereported issuewould be considered harassment and act accordingly.


3. You may not disrupt the normal playability ofa game worldarea. Area Disruption is defined as any activity designed to harm or inconvenience a number of groups rather than a specific player or group of players. This includes things such as:


Deliberately blocking a doorway or narrow area so other players cannot get past.


Making excessive and inappropriate use of spatial communications.


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Taking away a device that helps prevent griefing tactics, because a small number of individuals are abusing the power to grief is extreme. There is a solution.


Give the group a warning. Heck, give them two. But three strikes, and they are out. Problem solved. Is this not better than taking away a feature most people want to stay?

Havoclord
Tue Dec 09, 2003 9:15 am
#2

/bump


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CptCox
Tue Dec 09, 2003 10:32 am
#3

/bump



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Kasmira
Tue Dec 09, 2003 2:41 pm
#4

/bump
Emshan
Tue Dec 09, 2003 6:07 pm
#5

Devs, is there a reason you can think of for not enforcing the Rules of Conduct?


Is it applicable to some players and not others?


It would seem to me that failure to uniformly enforce the Rules of Conduct will lead to a situation where the terms of the same are deemed waived and no longer enforceable as to any of the players. Personally, I wish they weren't necessary and I wish that people would behave toward their fellow players. Unfortunately, that is a dream world situation.


Accordingly, I like having the Rules of Conduct to delineate player responsibilities and acceptable behavior. I would hate to see that the Rules are deemed waived, especially when there is no available mechanism for players to respond to the griefers.



LuciferMullins
Tue Dec 09, 2003 7:12 pm
#6

Wow I wonder if this means people blocking POI's with their cities would be kicked out of the game?

What a wonderful thought.



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Machs
Wed Dec 10, 2003 1:34 am
#7

/agree


It strikes me as somewhat disingenuous for the devs to take the line that you can control uncooperative visitors to your city via CSR and reporting tools, yet fail to apply the same logic to those that use /citywarn to grief or to block content. Yes, these issues are important. All the more reason for them to use the tools and TOS guidance to mete out punishments to those who abuse /citywarn. The current solution of complete removal is tossing out the baby with the bath water.... not to mention the tub itself.


With content, we're told to "bring our own." Yet, the tools for accomplishing that are being yanked at the first rumbling of a problem. SOE can do much better than this.

Jaq-kuta
Wed Dec 10, 2003 1:35 am
#8

The Dev's really need to start considering the needs of the solo players and PvE players. SOE pushes the PoI's, themeparks, and NPC missions, but yet allowed player cities on some of these locations. I know hindsight is 20/20, but seems like a pretty obvious one. Like restricting building in the mountains or on the water.



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BlindTyldak
Wed Dec 10, 2003 1:40 am
#9

They're not listening, and are continuing to spill the same pointless bile of an excuse they have been.


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Waho
Wed Dec 10, 2003 7:20 am
#10

city warnis a cool feature, and something needs to be worked out so it can be implemented back.



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IAtlasI
Thu Dec 11, 2003 1:06 am
#11






LuciferMullins wrote:
Wow I wonder if this means people blocking POI's with their cities would be kicked out of the game?

What a wonderful thought.




Sarcasim? Anyway, I think that the devs really do need to revealuate their solution to the griefing problem with /citywarn, and I believe that Emshan's proposal is a step in the right direction.




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