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Strohm

Wed Mar 31, 2004 7:26 pm

I have been checking in here about every other day and I haven't seen ANYTHING yet? I would just like to know HOW it works. I have citizens that pop up inactive when I know that they are not.

Stratus Industries (Talus, -2227,1966)
"Setting a Higher Standard"

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Hayek Ekon, CEO (M/Artisan, M/Arch) - Kyzafa Bayoun, VP (Merchant)
Vyzryn, Imperial Medical Officer - Ryz Andu, Imperial Soldier

Karquile

Wed Mar 31, 2004 8:55 pm

#2

I don't know where or what you've been checking, but:

1. It's just been disabled on the current Test Center build, perhaps with a view to a hotfix in Live to match, so no matter how it works today, it's going to stop working soon, and they will probably tinker with how it works before they reinstate it.

2. After the election is complete and your city rank calculated and maintenance assessed etc, a check is run on each citizen in your citizen list. If their time of last login is more than 6 weeks old, or if their most recent declared residence is outside your city limits, they are dropped from the citizen list and you get an email.

3. To reverse the effects of the timeout, the player has to log in AND redeclare residence at their house in your city.

4. That's it. If you're thinking of asking "But does X also happen?" and I didn't mention it above, the answer is no.

jemelby

Thu Apr 01, 2004 6:13 am

#3

Honestly, I don't think the TC tweak has anything to do with LIVE. You don't often see "Temporarily" attached to TC notes.

Worse case is they (SOE) are perfectly content with the way it is working on LIVE, and they have just diabled it on TC to presever the cities there, so they survive to test other PC changes.

J'Vee
Mos Onarok, Tatooine - Flurry

Karquile

Thu Apr 01, 2004 6:58 am

#4

jemelby wrote:

Honestly, I don't think the TC tweak has anything to do with LIVE. You don't often see "Temporarily" attached to TC notes.

Worse case is they (SOE) are perfectly content with the way it is working on LIVE, and they have just diabled it on TC to presever the cities there, so they survive to test other PC changes.

If they wanted to disable it on TC they would probably say so, and not "temporarily." They would just say "The inactive citizen timeout is disabled on Test Center" or words to that effect.

It's already had its big effect on TC anyway. The folks who came and set up in the first flush of Cities and then left are already off the rolls. Only one city lost its shuttle, and they can get it back with a little effort.

I'll ask, but the impression I get is that they want to tinker with the inactive code, and until then, they'll stop removing citizens. This might go to Live as a hotfix or it might go with the upcoming mini publish.

PosiTec

Thu Apr 01, 2004 7:01 am

#5

Karquile,

If that were all it realy did, and it worked, then they wouldn't be taking it out on test center.

Our city just lost a bunch of people (dropped from just over 100 to around 90), and we know of some that play EVERY SINGLE DAY.

Yet another stupid system, poorly implimented, poorly tested, and nothing but more problems for their users.

There is a good reason there are so many inactive accounts these days

jemelby

Thu Apr 01, 2004 9:18 am

#6

Positec wrote:

"Our city just lost a bunch of people (dropped from just over 100 to around 90), and we know of some that play EVERY SINGLE DAY."

Sounds like you had some dual citizens. Those that you know play alot, and have houses in your city, can be easily regained. Just have them re-declare. In some cases, just walking into their homes is enough. Beware of the later, though. The mayor will not get a notification. They will just quitly be added to the citizen roster.

I have not quite nailed it down, but I believe it has everyting to do with the lost citizen still having a house in their previous city, or perhaps another house anywhere. If they have no other house, then it seems that just entering their city house is enough. If they DO have another house, then they must re-declare in your cities house.

This is a one time deal, as the 6-week check will also boot them out of their previous city, with whom they have been "sharing" citizenship. They will no longer be a dual-citizen, but will only be a citizen of your city.

J'Vee
Mos Onarok, Tatooine - Flurry

Strohm

Fri Apr 02, 2004 7:41 pm

#7

Karquile wrote:

I don't know where or what you've been checking, but:

1. It's just been disabled on the current Test Center build, perhaps with a view to a hotfix in Live to match, so no matter how it works today, it's going to stop working soon, and they will probably tinker with how it works before they reinstate it.

2. After the election is complete and your city rank calculated and maintenance assessed etc, a check is run on each citizen in your citizen list. If their time of last login is more than 6 weeks old, or if their most recent declared residence is outside your city limits, they are dropped from the citizen list and you get an email.

3. To reverse the effects of the timeout, the player has to log in AND redeclare residence at their house in your city.

4. That's it. If you're thinking of asking "But does X also happen?" and I didn't mention it above, the answer is no.

Either this is not the way it is done, or there is a bug. I have lost people that I know for sure are active and people who have been on days before the city update.

Why do the devs waste time with things that aren't broken and concentrate on the things that are... Such as content or SOMETHING for Master Politician. Maybe this is there way that they won't have to deal with M/Pol if there aren't enough citizens?

Stratus Industries (Talus, -2227,1966)
"Setting a Higher Standard"

Rebuilding!

Hayek Ekon, CEO (M/Artisan, M/Arch) - Kyzafa Bayoun, VP (Merchant)
Vyzryn, Imperial Medical Officer - Ryz Andu, Imperial Soldier

acabada

Sat Apr 03, 2004 12:34 pm

#8

They temporarily disabled the inactivity citizen check.

Lord Mataan

(dolph)

Dolph Mataan
Military Governor of Dantooine
'Till the war-drum throbb'd no longer and the battle flags were furl'd

Karquile

Sat Apr 03, 2004 4:33 pm

#9

Strohm wrote:

Karquile wrote:

2. After the election is complete and your city rank calculated and maintenance assessed etc, a check is run on each citizen in your citizen list. If their time of last login is more than 6 weeks old, or if their most recent declared residence is outside your city limits, they are dropped from the citizen list and you get an email.

Either this is not the way it is done, or there is a bug. I have lost people that I know for sure are active and people who have been on days before the city update....

I used to think the same thing, but in every case, when I tracked down the status of the dropped active citizen, it turned out that in the meantime they had declared residence somewhere else - either in another Player City (making them dual residents until this patch caught it) or just outside in the wild somewhere.

You citizens are not necessarily going to tell youthat they declared elsewhere, especially when dual citizenship was working. They may not even have known that they could be dropped from the rolls for doing so.

So just seeing them active in the game doesn't automatically mean that the inactivity timeout (now disabled, as noted) was bugged.

PosiTec

Mon Apr 05, 2004 8:06 am

#10

Karquile:

"So just seeing them active in the game doesn't automatically mean that the inactivity timeout (now disabled, as noted) was bugged."

Ok.. lets be honest here.

Yes, it DOES mean its bugged.

They were not "Inactive", therefor you shouldn't get a message saying that they are.

If you are right, and they are being dropped for dual citizenship etc, then that is what the message should say.

Personally, I play every night with someone that got dropped, and I know for a certainty that they didnt move their house out of town.

Even if they did move out, then the Mayor gets a mail to saying they are no longer a citizen.... failure to send that message some timesis also a BUG.

Please dont excuse sloppy, shoddy, poorly implimented and tested code by suggesting that the player is at fault. I have been a systems developer for over 20 years.... it is NEVER the users fault. Anything which goes wrong, even if its because the user did something unexpected, is the developers oversight.

Karquile

Mon Apr 05, 2004 11:40 am

#11

PosiTec wrote:

Karquile:

"So just seeing them active in the game doesn't automatically mean that the inactivity timeout (now disabled, as noted) was bugged."

Ok.. lets be honest here.

Yes, it DOES mean its bugged.

They were not "Inactive", therefor you shouldn't get a message saying that they are.

If you are right, and they are being dropped for dual citizenship etc, then that is what the message should say.

Hey, I agree with you that it is a bug that a misleading message is sent - I reported it as soon as I first saw one.

What I'm saying is that the loss of the citizen from your rolls is NOT a bug. You're not owed more citizens than you currently have.

For a lot of us, that's a bigger deal.

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