Politician Archive
Thread: No politician does city stay?
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Pappi
Fri Jun 25, 2004 4:17 pm
#1
you can, but your mayor won't be able to access the skill related commands for maintaining the city. all you need is novice politician when you run for office, currently it doesn't check after you're voted into office. I wouldn't recommend dropping all the skills, but people do it anyway 
nova418
Fri Jun 25, 2004 8:11 pm
#2
so, if we got another person to get novice politician, and voted him for mayor the original mayor can drop his politician skills. So, you dont have to be the PA leader to be the mayor?
Thanks for the quick reply to the first question.
Pappi
Fri Jun 25, 2004 9:06 pm
#3
nova418 wrote:so, if we got another person to get novice politician, and voted him for mayor the original mayor can drop his politician skills. So, you dont have to be the PA leader to be the mayor?Thanks for the quick reply to the first question.
all you need to be voted as mayor is novice politician, and over half of your citizen's vote. cities and PA are separate.
nova418
Sat Jun 26, 2004 12:52 am
#4
Our PA leader is currently a novice politician and our mayor. He would like to drop novice politician to use the xp for combat template. If he drops will the city stay in tact? We have PA Hall, City Hall, Garage, Shuttle etc.
Also along the same lines does the mayor of the city have to have novice Politician? If so i guess we could vote for a new mayor and then he could drop novice Politician.
I hope this all makes sense?
DocSavag
Sat Jun 26, 2004 3:39 am
#5
My city just did this. I moved the Mayorship from one of my characters to another. The new mayor came into office with only novice politician. She quickly got a few boxes in Politician after the election to maintain basic city services (Militia and stuff ) and the next week she pretty much got the other skills she needed to drop skill trainers and make minor changes to city decorations. Soon she will have as many skills as my main character did and will be fully up to speed. There was a brief gap in city services while we transitioned but nothing we couldn't put up with.
I also wouldn't advise having a major with no political skills (not even novice). I know thats tempting but frankly that strikes me as kind of exploitative and something that should probably be fixed..the fix I thnk would be bad for your city.
DRAROO
Sat Jun 26, 2004 4:10 am
#6
We would like to change mayors. The new potential mayor has novice politician and is register to run. Can the current mayor drop out of the race without any impact to the city? Or do we have to get the new potential mayor 51% of the votes?
Thanks very much.
Pappi
Sat Jun 26, 2004 4:18 am
#7
mayors can't "retire", so you need to get 51% of your citizens to vote for the opponent.
StumanKadir
Sat Jun 26, 2004 4:47 am
#8
DocSavag wrote "I know thats tempting but frankly that strikes me as kind of exploitative and something that should probably be fixed.."
You are kidding right? So exploitative in what way? Does the Mayor of a city gain any benefits from being the Mayor - well no.If a Mayor drops Novice Politicianare they still able to do city based things like grant zoning rights, place decorations, etc - well no.
They are able to be voted out (some more easily than others) but are unable to resign from the position. If they wish to take it back up again they have to find the apprentice xp to make it back to Novice Politician - not an easy ask at the best of times.
So can you please explain howdropping Novice Politician ranks as a "kind of exploit" in your eyes and why it should be fixed?
nb: I have removed this line as it was inappropriately made and detracted from the point of my post.
Message Edited by StumanKadir on 06-28-2004 12:51 PM
EltonAlucard
Sat Jun 26, 2004 8:38 am
#9
I am new to the mayor profession.
Do I understand corrctly?
A city does not need a mayor with politician skill points to maintain itself. The taxes and maintence will take care of itself. No new buildings will go up, no changes, but the city continues.
Also, you need 51% of the people to vote for an opponet to oust a mayor. And all in the same week, as there votes go automaicly back to the incumbent mayor every week?
So,
A city could be stuck. The mayor can't reitre and has give up the politiion skill to move onto a new profession. If 51% are not
on the same week the mayor would never be removed and new civic building could not be places? Taxes could not be changes?
Or does the mayor get access to the terminals and function, weather they have political skill or not.
You can build a city and drop all politican skill and let it self maintain, picking up skills only when need to make changes?
Kaessa
Sat Jun 26, 2004 10:20 am
#10
StumanKadir wrote:
DocSavag wrote "I know thats tempting but frankly that strikes me as kind of exploitative and something that should probably be fixed.."
You are kidding right? So exploitative in what way? Does the Mayor of a city gain any benefits from being the Mayor - well no.If a Mayor drops Novice Politicianare they still able to do city based things like grant zoning rights, place decorations, etc - well no.
They are able to be voted out (some more easily than others) but are unable to resign from the position. If they wish to take it back up again they have to find the apprentice xp to make it back to Novice Politician - not an easy ask at the best of times.
So can you please explain howdropping Novice Politician ranks as a "kind of exploit" in your eyes and why it should be fixed?
I would of thought you where an idiot had it not been for the fact that you are a correspondant.
I would consider dropping novice politician an "exploit" as well, and I would imagine this would be fixed eventually. If you have to be a politician to be mayor, then dropping it after the fact shouldn't be allowed. Some of us take our mayor jobs seriously enough to devote the points to it.
And name calling does nothing to further your arguement. 
DocSavag
Sat Jun 26, 2004 11:03 pm
#11
StumanKadir wrote:
DocSavag wrote "I know thats tempting but frankly that strikes me as kind of exploitative and something that should probably be fixed.."
You are kidding right? So exploitative in what way? Does the Mayor of a city gain any benefits from being the Mayor - well no.If a Mayor drops Novice Politicianare they still able to do city based things like grant zoning rights, place decorations, etc - well no.
They are able to be voted out (some more easily than others) but are unable to resign from the position. If they wish to take it back up again they have to find the apprentice xp to make it back to Novice Politician - not an easy ask at the best of times.
So can you please explain howdropping Novice Politician ranks as a "kind of exploit" in your eyes and why it should be fixed?
I would of thought you where an idiot had it not been for the fact that you are a correspondant.
So anyone who has a differing view from yours is automatically an idiot unless they have a title?
Its explotative because a mayor is REQUIRED to start a city. Why should it be allowed to continue without one? In this case it isn't explotative in a personal sense but in a citywide sense. The city shouldn't exist if there is no mayor. Dropping your skills and keeping the city is unfair to those other playeres who would gladly trade places with you and create their own city.
If you had asked me if I thought there should be a way to retire and turn that duty over to someone else I would have said yes. I think there should be a way that avoids having to force people to vote in an election. I think that the ways to do that are prone to griefing (turning over the city to someone the citizens don't want as their leader) and would need to be very well designed to avoid those situations.
Pappi
Sun Jun 27, 2004 12:30 pm
#12
StumanKadir wrote:DocSavag wrote "I know thats tempting but frankly that strikes me as kind of exploitative and something that should probably be fixed.."You are kidding right? So exploitative in what way? Does the Mayor of a city gain any benefits from being the Mayor - well no.If a Mayor drops Novice Politicianare they still able to do city based things like grant zoning rights, place decorations, etc - well no.They are able to be voted out (some more easily than others) but are unable to resign from the position. If they wish to take it back up again they have to find the apprentice xp to make it back to Novice Politician - not an easy ask at the best of times.So can you please explain howdropping Novice Politician ranks as a "kind of exploit" in your eyes and why it should be fixed?I would of thought you where an idiot had it not been for the fact that you are a correspondant.
guess I'm an idiot too
I think that it's not fair when people can drop their skills and still retain bonuses that require the skill. it's one thing that our profession takes too many sp, isn't useful enough, etc... it's another to be able to drop politician and still be the amyor of a city.
same goes for merchant too, I hope they fix it some time, while adding other positive changes to the professions.
StumanKadir
Sun Jun 27, 2004 6:50 pm
#13
Hang on a minute guys - you all happily concentrate on one flippant comment that I made, and ignore the rest of the posting. I was frustrated at the attitude of some in here who call "exploit" at everything they disagree with and hence used that word. I apologise for making it and will remove it.
ButI will repeat the general thrust of my posting. What benefit or bonus do I or any other Mayors gain or retain by dropping the Novice Politician skill, and how is this classed as an exploit? Our cities exist no just owing to us as a player, but to the collection of players who chose to reside there.
As a Mayor I get no benefits, either personally or intrinsically; If people wish to run against me, they are able to do so; the game design is allowing people to continue as mayor without politician skills....so how is this an exploit again?
If I as a Mayor drop Novice Politician, I can no longer do any of the tasks that I could do with the skill (grant zoning rights, place trainers, decorations, etc) - and all I would have left is a title?
So sorry, what is your argument again for this being an exploit?
I treat Politician as a junk bunch of skills and retain the minimum necessary to manage and maintain the city and keep the residents happy. And I'm sorry if this goes against your thinking but I think you'll find that the majority of Mayors actlike this.If I need a skill then I'll pick it up (like last night when I accidentally removed the faction terminal), but there is no need owing to the game design for me to retain these skills.
So maybe I should of rephrased my final flippant comment and said "to call this part of the game design an exploit is idiotic".
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