Politician Archive
Thread: Petition To Thunderheart stop a Player City Change.
figgbot
Mon Jan 26, 2004 9:12 am
#14
this is another horible idea fix that will definately drive more people away. my son goes to school and there may be times he cant log in to play. i know if he were to lose citizenship or his pre-paid maintenence home it would probably be the final straw that drives him from the game as well. several of my friends have left until "SWG fixes more of the broken skills, bugs and adds more content instead of swinging their nerf bat around" all i can see is this worensing the player exodus. i have been playing since beta and cant see this as a step forward.
Xscape
Mon Jan 26, 2004 9:43 am
#15
Robert thats ridiculous, were talking 3 weeks here, what about the poor guys in IRAQ atm SOE apparently dont give a toss about those guys.
killing the Server exchange is not gonna happen cause of this far from it only make it worse and professionalized. Now they have to log in every 3 weeks big deal.
And labeling a city a false city cause it may have alot of inactives at anyone time is very arrogant indeed.
As for active player base Pax City is as active as they come on radiant yet we havemany of inactive and may risk loosing our shuttleport or worse depending on where the inactives houses are placed.
So during holiday season when most citizens go off to bermuda you actually think its fair that their city gets wiped out.
I and my guild worked hard for our city and dont deserve this SOE is making a major mistake doing this they can forget about alot of the inactive reactivating the accounts even with space expansion wich most are waiting for.
Also solving server Database problems like this just wont happen the houses remain with all its content unchanged all it will do is create temporary cities all over the server until they sometime down the road run out of places tobuild cities.
robertwo
Mon Jan 26, 2004 9:45 am
#16
Character and the city status active ? (whats next ? Log in every week or you need to pay a ingame tax of 15% of your money ?) I pay for this game and i acspect to be able to play it whenever i want and how often i want without loosing enything as long as I pay for it.Please dont destroy this game for me...................................
Hang on I think the point is being missed here. In what way does you losing citizenship affect your character in any way while you are not logged in. In fact I am sure the opposite of what you are saying here will happen, i.e. no income tax.
This is only bad for a mayor who has not planned (see my previous post on this.)
If you (and the person who's son goes to school and can't log in for three weeks) were to log in after a month and your house is still there you can just re-declare your citizenship or it might even be automatic since you have now reset the timer since your last login.
If you pay maintainence on your house so that it covers your away period you should be okay. Yes this will bugger up space for the city your house is in but any good mayor should take this into account.
If you want to be a mayor because you just want a city and not because you actually want to be a mayor then you really should not have a city at all... okay enough or I'll ramble on some more.
Xscape
Mon Jan 26, 2004 9:51 am
#17
Let me clarify Robert
lets say we have a level 4 city
In the range of city hall 400 meters you have 55 citizens
if that city has decided to put the city hall in the middle with a few shops and lots of decorations and put the other houses outside the lower city range. they could risk to see the city drop to level 3 and then just keep dropping until the city hall poofs even with 54 active. All that if the mayor just happens to be on vacation the week one guy decides to leave the city.
Xscape
Mon Jan 26, 2004 9:53 am
#18
Above theoretical situation offcourse but perfectly possible with this change.
Faellyn
Mon Jan 26, 2004 9:57 am
#19
I have to disagree here.
- I you're not going to be able to log in for 3 weeks, you need to make room for another more active citizen that can contribute to the town. Otherwise, you're just artificially padding the town's roster, which is the reason SOE's doing this and the reason why many of the mayor's are complaining.
- If you can't log in for 5 minutes every 21 days, you need to re-think your reason for taking up space in the city anyway.
- And jeez, all you have to do is give some other trusted guild-member your login and password, and let him log you in every so often - how hard is that?
- If a city is relying on inactive players to bump up it's roster,then that city should be downgraded to make room for a city with active players. Howwould that be less than fair?
robertwo
Mon Jan 26, 2004 10:01 am
#20
Xscape wrote:Robert thats ridiculous, were talking 3 weeks here, what about the poor guys in IRAQ atm SOE apparently dont give a toss about those guys.
What so should we now do everything but not without first taking into account people in IRAQ!??!? Lets not drag that into this.....
killing the Server exchange is not gonna happen cause of this far from it only make it worse and professionalized. Now they have to log in every 3 weeks big deal.And labeling a city a false city cause it may have alot of inactives at anyone time is very arrogant indeed.
What I describe as false cities are those cities who set themselves up with the Server Exchange and don't have an active city at all. If like you said you have an active city, then surely you can make up the numbers if needs be? Perhaps the mayor needs to be warned a week or so before the account is marked for citizenship removal so this can be taken into account and new citizens brought in?
If three weeks is too short a period in everyones opinion why not ask for a month or a month and a half rather than just outright saying it is a bad idea and it will ruin everything?
Running a city should take a lot of effort and planing, do you really expect everything to be handed to you on a plate?
Every city is going to run into this kind of problem. Some may even disapear, but for those which do it means another city has a chance to grow. So there lies your challenge, keep fresh blood coming into your city and you get to keep it.
I'd agree that some kind of warning would be nice, i.e. so you can see how many inactive accounts you have before they get removed and therefore not take you by supprise.
Xscape
Mon Jan 26, 2004 10:04 am
#21
I doubt you would feel that way Faellyn if you were in risk of this, Im sure the lezzer cities would love to grow beyond their competing cities, but remember the cost will be alot less players on the server a load will quit cause of this like it or not thats the basic. This is an SOE invite to loose customers, this proposed system is not thought out and will hurt the game more thenmost changes so far. Also dont expect the cities to loose status to sit idly by and watch this happen some will go aggessivly after the "more populated" cities and try to take over and cast out the previous owners inviting massive city griefing.
Xscape
Mon Jan 26, 2004 10:11 am
#22
Robert just an expample of some of the people that will get hurt by this, there are lots of other players for other reasons as well but I know of several who are in IRAQ atm and cant play or log in for that very reason,
McCannon
Mon Jan 26, 2004 10:12 am
#23
This is indeed one of the more strange ideas i ever seen a developer team come up with.
They have basicly decided to punish several people, in this case citizens, in player cities. All it takes is just a few inactives,..hell they dont even have to be inactive, they can be on vacation, in a hospital or something else and the city they are part of can go poof.
Cant say that the developer team have used much brain power on this one. This game is allready bleeding from nerfs and bugs that needs to fixed, so instead of driving more players, and maybe a big part of the core players, the players who actually work hard to keep thier city afloat, they should concentrate on getting more content, more depth in the game.
With kind regards
Taladin
krais99
Mon Jan 26, 2004 10:48 am
#24
The part that frustates me the most is that SOE seems to think that most people enjoy having a game that acts as a second job. I don't know about the rest of you guys, but I absolutely despise the idea that I HAVE to do something and given a certain amount of time to do it. I already have 1 full time job, I do not need a game to act as a second full time job. I don't think SOE should have any right to tell me that I have to log on to my character or else. If I choose to take a 3 week hiatus from the game, so be it. My character, provided that I have enough maintenance in everything, should not suffer from that absence. I pay my $15 just like the rest of you, how I spend my time is my business.
Gilean
Xscape
Mon Jan 26, 2004 10:49 am
#25
Robert2 wrote
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What I describe as false cities are those cities who set themselves up with the Server Exchange and don't have an active city at all. If like you said you have an active city, then surely you can make up the numbers if needs be? Perhaps the mayor needs to be warned a week or so before the account is marked for citizenship removal so this can be taken into account and new citizens brought in?
Lol new citizens brought in there are so many issues regarding citizens on radiant and im sure more servers atm we have some guilds who try to place their imperials inside enemy cities to place faction stuff there to harrass the citizens, so that out of the window pax city is a guild city, Im sure you loathe the idea of guild city but I could care less if you do. The devs may try to defeat the guild city idea but will only hurt their bank account by doing so.
If three weeks is too short a period in everyones opinion why not ask for a month or a month and a half rather than just outright saying it is a bad idea and it will ruin everything?
If three weeks is too short a period in everyones opinion why not ask for a month or a month and a half rather than just outright saying it is a bad idea and it will ruin everything?
Three weeks is too short 3 months would possibly be acceptable, but only if they also removed the persons house in the same process.
Running a city should take a lot of effort and planing, do you really expect everything to be handed to you on a plate?
LOL I know what running a city takes, and nothing is handed to us as it is, this is like changing the rules in poker at the end of the game.
Every city is going to run into this kind of problem. Some may even disapear, but for those which do it means another city has a chance to grow. So there lies your challenge, keep fresh blood coming into your city and you get to keep it.
No this kind of problem has just been invented by SOE to fix a problem they will only make worse with the "fix"
I'd agree that some kind of warning would be nice, i.e. so you can see how many inactive accounts you have before they get removed and therefore not take you by supprise.
I'd agree that some kind of warning would be nice, i.e. so you can see how many inactive accounts you have before they get removed and therefore not take you by supprise.
A warning wont help if the city has the misfortune of being a nicely organized one with a max unlucky placing of housing. You should take a trip to correllia and look at the terrain there its nutz trying to place cities some places.
Scoooter
Mon Jan 26, 2004 11:07 am
#26
From my understanding that was changed from 3 weeks to 6 weeks. And the houses will stay around until the maintenece runs out.
School or not it seems to me it would not be difficult for someone to just log in, or have someone log in for them once every 6 weeks.
If you note all they have to do is log in.
A city should not be able to count a person who does not play as a citizen, it is unfair to the city that needs to grow but is capped. A simple log in is not much to ask.