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Thread: A 1-2 Hour timer on Turning On/Off Guildwars is needed. Guild on Flurry Abusing system.
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Opie76
Tue Dec 07, 2004 4:18 pm
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I'm not going to bother with retyping the whole story, but it boils down to this. DFR on flurry declared war on all rebel guilds. accepted this challenge, but they basically use the on/off feature to their advantage. They keep someone stationed at their guildhall , and after they gank a DFR member, they turn the guild war off.
It has been suggested a timer should be implemented when you decide to accept the guildwar. If you really are committed to going to war, it should be down with fair play in mind.
Here is a link to an ongoing discussion in the GCW forum. The GCW correspondant told me to repost the concern here ,so that is what i'm doing.
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=GCW&message.id=286929
Ho'mer/Avenir
Message Edited by Opie76 on 12-07-200403:19 PM
Message Edited by Opie76 on 12-07-2004 03:20 PM
Message Edited by Opie76 on 12-07-2004 03:38 PM
Rothin
Tue Dec 07, 2004 4:26 pm
#2
I'll take a look at the thread, but the first thing that pops in my mind is this: Guild wars must be mutual. BOTH sides have to agree to the war before it is started. If they are abusing it, simply disengage on your side and go about life as normal as they will no longer be able to attack you no matter how much they toggle.
However, that said I'll read the thread and don't see any reason why a timer shouldn't be included as it wouldn't hurt anything but prevent people from going through what you are. I'll post more after I read the thread.
Rothin
Tue Dec 07, 2004 5:50 pm
#3
I replied to your thread there. I'll check into the possibility of a timer and see if it can be done. No guarentees though since the focus is on the Combat Upgrade. For the mean time, just turn off guild war so they don't use the cheap tactics anymore.
Opie76
Tue Dec 07, 2004 6:19 pm
#4
Thanks for replying. Just so you know I'm not personally involved in this nor is my guild. In fact we are on the war terms with DFR also, but will not resort to the tactics being used.
I just feel that its contiunal abuse of systems like this that cheapens the gameplay of those involved, and eventually lead to many good players quitting over the griefing.
Hnglka
Wed Dec 08, 2004 7:36 am
#5
Unfortunately guild wars are only as sucessful as the people involved in them. The PK scene is filled with gankers and miscreants that use any possible advantage to raise their precious PK rating. Before anyone takes offense and tries to point out that all Pvpers are not this way or resort to the standard Pker whiner response of "*censored by board filter but involes being quiet* n00b " there are indeed people that have a sense of honor and fair play in the PK scene and I have seen PvP battles that where fairly dealt with minimal trash talking before during and after.
My suggestion if you are worried about guild wars griefing:
1) only go to war with a guild you know to "honorable" and predetermine the rules of engagement. If you choose unlimited war and they agree so be it. if you choose to say "no killing of helpers and afks" make sure both sides are clear on the rule and what would be considered a violation. IE running around with an afk tag up or putting on helper after a fight has started.
2) have someone near your guild hall with war rights to stop the war if the need arises. Then never go to war ewith the guild in question again.
or:
3) forget guildwars completely and just go overt and meet them somewhere isolated and duke it out.
Starcloud
Thu Dec 09, 2004 7:27 am
#6
To be more precise--
DFR, a guild on the Flurry server, put every Rebel guild they could find on their "At War" list, without the consent or knowledge of the other guilds.
Another Flurry guild, LAW I think it was, got a little irritated with this practice, and has been pointing their irritation out to DFR by toggling their "At War" status.
The solution isn't to institute a timer, it is to *require* an "accept war/deny war"confirmation, sentto the guild leadersof both guilds. The "exploitation" here isn't LAW's toggling, it's DFR's declaring war against everyone without their knowledge.
Message Edited by Starcloud on 12-09-2004 09:33 AM
Rothin
Thu Dec 09, 2004 7:51 am
#7
Starcloud wrote:
To be more precise--
DFR, a guild on the Flurry server, put every Rebel guild they could find on their "At War" list, without the consent or knowledge of the other guilds.
Another Flurry guild, LAW I think it was, got a little irritated with this practice, and has been pointing their irritation out to DFR by toggling their "At War" status.
The solution isn't to institute a timer, it is to *require* an "accept war/deny war"confirmation, sentto the guild leadersof both guilds. The "exploitation" here isn't LAW's toggling, it's DFR's declaring war against everyone without their knowledge.
Message Edited by Starcloud on 12-09-2004 09:33 AM
You can declare war with every other guild in the game. But.. to be able to fight them every other guild in the game has to declare war back. It has to be mutually accepted for the fighting to take place. However, when a guild turns it off and the other guild does not do the same, the one who turned it off can switch back and forth and grief.
ALL guild wars are mutual agreement on both sides. You can't just declare and attack someone. That would be way to griefable which is why it must be accepted. On the PA Terminal it will show you who has declared against you, who you have declared against and who you are mutually agreed to war with. They are each marked with different symbols.
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