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Thread: Player Association Top 4.. looking for 5th issue!

Teraka-FO
Thu Feb 03, 2005 6:18 pm
#40


So, do you think we can get Guild War issues escalated to #5?



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atytula
Thu Feb 03, 2005 8:15 pm
#41

I would vote it down. We have the GCW for PvP. Guild wars would be nice, but it isn't a huge issue. I would want a new feature added to PAs to make them better. My two choices would be


1. MOTD

2. Guild Ranking System




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Surseance
Fri Feb 04, 2005 12:30 am
#42






atytula wrote:

We have the GCW for PvP.



No, we don't! What if you are neutral, or what if you are in a crime organization? I am myself in the latter, and as you probably know there isn't any Jabba faction (or any other faction you can affiliate to besides Empire / Alliance).




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KaiRan
Fri Feb 04, 2005 8:15 am
#43

My #5 is the lack of information on the radar regarging who is a guild-mate and who is a guild enemy (vrs GCW enemies).



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atytula
Fri Feb 04, 2005 12:27 pm
#44






Surseance wrote:





atytula wrote:

We have the GCW for PvP.



No, we don't! What if you are neutral, or what if you are in a crime organization? I am myself in the latter, and as you probably know there isn't any Jabba faction (or any other faction you can affiliate to besides Empire / Alliance).






Yes we do. The GCW is a system in place for those that want to PvP. I am not saying that I don't want guild wars fixed, as I do, but I am saying I don't want it as our #5 issue. I think there are more important things that we can be doing with that #5 issue then guild wars.


Also, guild ranking does not fit into guild wars at all. It is a completly separate system that we want in place.


I am all supporting of the creation of a Criminal Faction and a Police faction, but that is not what this top 5 list is for. It is for guild related issues.


So as I said, if we vote for guild wars as the #5 issue, I would vote NO. I will vote yes on guild ranking system or MOTD as they rank much higher on my list.






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atytula
Fri Feb 04, 2005 2:44 pm
#45


Surseance, read my post before you flame. My first reply was I would vote it down (AKA vote no). I all this time said that I don't think guild wars is a number 5 issue, THAT WAS IT. I stated that I would chose a few other things as our number 5 issue. Why you keep flaming saying that I am "undermining peoples opinions" is a false acusation and slanderous.


"No, we don't! What if you are neutral, or what if you are in a crime organization? I am myself in the latter, and as you probably know there isn't any Jabba faction (or any other faction you can affiliate to besides Empire / Alliance)." - Surseance


So how are you not talking about faction. Fact: GCW is two factions with an underlying PvP system. Fact: If someone wants to PvP, they join a faction and declare overt. So how is saying "We have the GCW for PvP" wrong? If you want to PvP, then join a faction. I made my point in saying that there should be other factions for PvP, but that doesn't belong in this forum. I mentioned this in response to your response "No, we don't". Guild wars is a neat feature, and again I will say I support a revamp of it, but I do not think it is an important feature as only a small number of guilds would actually use it. Guild ranking (and I am not only talking about military ranking) is a feature that all guilds can and will use. It allows the creation of a set of ranks and PA commands associated with those ranks. If you want someone to have the ability to kick a member, then you just need to promote them to the rank that supports this PA command, not manually change the commands that theycan do.


I have stated my opinion, and I know where your vote lies. If you want to discuss this issue maturely, I am waiting, but I will not respond to another flame by you.

Message Edited by atytula on 02-04-2005 01:45 PM




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Rothin
Fri Feb 04, 2005 2:50 pm
#46

Alright my request to both of you is to just go ahead and let it go. I know where you both stand on how you feel each should be so we'll just leave it at that. I hope you both can have the maturity to just not respond to each other in this thread.

We each will feel differently on which issue should be our top 5, my purpose here was to ask you what you think it should be and why, I didn't want or ask anyone to debate their reasons as that only tends to make it harder on me to sort through for other peoples opinions and also may sway them to not reply so they don't get drawn into it, so I ask that we just let it go and move on.



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atytula
Fri Feb 04, 2005 4:57 pm
#47






Rothin wrote:
Alright my request to both of you is to just go ahead and let it go. I know where you both stand on how you feel each should be so we'll just leave it at that. I hope you both can have the maturity to just not respond to each other in this thread.

We each will feel differently on which issue should be our top 5, my purpose here was to ask you what you think it should be and why, I didn't want or ask anyone to debate their reasons as that only tends to make it harder on me to sort through for other peoples opinions and also may sway them to not reply so they don't get drawn into it, so I ask that we just let it go and move on.




Agreed. So what are the issues on the table? Are we ready to have a vote or are we still looking for idea. Other things I feel could fit into that 5th issue box would be


1. Guild Activity (letting you know the last time a guild member was online (this can be pooled into the whosonline issue).
2. Guild Ranking
3. Message of the Day
4. Guild assigned badges.


I tend to feel that ways of empowering guild members and keeping them well informed are our biggest issues. Guild Ranking and badges gives a player a sense of purpose (trying to get the next rank or badge). Message of the Day keeps members informed of what is going on everytime they login to the game. Guild Activity will allow guild leaders to figure out who is active and clean out stale memberships.


Please add these issues to the list





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ThalDev
Fri Feb 04, 2005 5:31 pm
#48

This isn't directly related to the current argument between Guild Wars and Guild Ranks, but it is something to consider.

A revamp of the Guild War system is a major project, and one I would like to see. However, we should consider that a project this large will likely remain on the backburner of the Devs for quite some time. During that time we would have one less issue to address, and most likely there are numerous other fixes that are smaller in scope that could have been taken care of in the interm. If you go over the current Top 4, you'll note that most of them are relatively easy for the devs to fix. Things like a command to change leadership or see which guildmembers are online aren't nearly as hard to implement as a revamp of the Guild War system, especially in the way players would like to see it done.

So consider this. Would you rather wait for months-on-end for the devs to get to a Guild War revamp, or would you rather have numerous additions and changes to the Guild system that make our lives easier? There's no question that Guild Wars are an issue, but something of that scope might best serve us on our wishlist, while our Top 5 list helps smooth the smaller issues we all experience.

As the saying goes, "A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush."



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atytula
Fri Feb 04, 2005 7:13 pm
#49

I hear ya ThalDev. Even Guild Ranks would be a heafty project.


Maybe we need to think from a different angle. I personally would like to see a publish dedicated to PAs (Heck, Jedi had two). The publish could deal with all the large issues. We would layout to the devs what we are looking for and let them try to fit it in. Meanwhile, like you mentioned, we shouldalso have a list of small stuff to be fixed while waiting.




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StarNick
Fri Feb 04, 2005 8:06 pm
#50

But we dont want small stuff to be part of our big top 5 either...


The 5th issue should definately be SOMETHING, -anything- relating to allowing guilds to have a more impact on either the GCW, guildmembers, or both.


That would encompass guild ranks, wars, factioned guilds, and all the cannollis...OR perhaps something smaller thatn will allow guilds to have a significant impact too...such as guild quests...or simply something for factioned guilds to contribute to their faction.


The current top 5 focus primarily on enhancing guild life and giving guild leaders an easier method of leading their guild...we need something that allows guilds to use those solutions of the other top 4, in some meaningful and beneficial way.



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Rothin
Fri Feb 04, 2005 8:19 pm
#51

Alright new direction for this thread... please don't worry about whether it is a 'big or easy fix' just list what is most IMPORTANT to you to be fixed. Just bullet point it rather than discussing it.

So far I have:

Guild Ranks
Guild Wars
(Numerous other stuff)

We're not actually going to vote, I'm going to base it on which ever issue has the most individual people request it.



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Surseance
Sat Feb 05, 2005 1:57 am
#52






atytula wrote:





Surseance wrote:





atytula wrote:

We have the GCW for PvP.



No, we don't! What if you are neutral, or what if you are in a crime organization? I am myself in the latter, and as you probably know there isn't any Jabba faction (or any other faction you can affiliate to besides Empire / Alliance).






Yes we do. No we don't. I can say this as many times as you say 'Yes we do' and then some


The GCW is a system in place for those that want to PvP. In case you didn't know, the GCW will be all-encompassing now - involving everyone.


I am not saying that I don't want guild wars fixed, as I do, but I am saying I don't want it as our #5 issue. I think there are more important things that we can be doing with that #5 issue then guild wars.


So basically what you're saying is that you want something else to be PA issue #5. Fair enough. I have expressedthat I want guild wars to be issue #5. Let's leave it at that, and accept other people's opinions.This is a thread that is supposed to be helpful for the PA correspondent. So let's stop this silly debate the sooner the better.


Also, guild ranking does not fit into guild wars at all. It is a completly separate system that we want in place.


"Guild ranking does not concern me, captain Atytula." (I understand this is what you want as #5.)


I am all supporting of the creation of a Criminal Faction and a Police faction, but that is not what this top 5 list is for. It is for guild related issues.


I am not talking about factions!! I am talking about GUILDS!! It is you who try to make this into a faction / GCW thing. I am not. That's why I'm posting this in the PA forum..!!!


So as I said, if we vote for guild wars as the #5 issue, I would vote NO. I will vote yes on guild ranking system or MOTD as they rank much higher on my list.


Hey, how hard can it be to just say what you wanted? You vote NO, I vote YES.


You don't have to try to undermine other people's opinions just because you don't share their view!
This is my last word in this.










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