Pistoleer Archive
Thread: TKA complimenting pistoleer...
With TK precision striking 4, it gives +45 ranged and +60 melee defense
Do these mods work when your using a pistol?
Rencon wrote:
TKA guys say that defence mods stack between classes.
They are wrong
arg it cut me off before i could elaborate
the state defenses do not appear to stack. I'm not sure about the ranged/melee defense however I would assume it to be the same situation.
however stuff like the +dodge from fencer will stack since apparently dodge is hard coded to 1 hand weapons and pistols. I would assume that block and counterattack work similarly between carbineer-swordsman and rifle-pikemen but I have yet to confirm that.
They compliment each other very well, especially some variation on the "triple master" (which adds Smuggler).
Ok things we know, and things we belive
- Meelee and Range defense mods *do* stack.....How do we know this?
- Extensive testing done on the to-hit formula by noules, which shows ranged/meelee defense is a universal mod.
2. Defense VS ------ defense mods *probably* stack...Why do we belive this?
- Testing done by a riflemen and the tests by philospher, which shows *higher* defense vs whatever makes it harder to land...In the tests +70 defense gave nearly a 90% resist vs TKA KD.
- Another part of this "theory" is that each KD attack gives a negative to your defense, so an attack like fire KD might be more effective then a normal pistol whip.
3. Special defense (dodge ect) are weapon specific..
- Tests done by multiple while holding diffrent weapons.....
- These skills are the *same* infact, the riflemen combat spam is broken atm and block reads as a dodge...The *only* diffrence is they are tied to diffrent weapons.
- Most people *belive* that dodge between fencer/pistoleer *do* stack, simply because dodge is tied to pistols *and* swords, meaning holding either will grant you the full +205 dodge.
No, I think Taewyn is overstating things.
1) We aren't sure that melee and ranged defense mods stack. All we know from Noules' data is that 1) squad leader defense bonuses stack, which you'd expect since they're group bonuses and that 2) melee and ranged defense from various professions acts the same way. So does Dodge, for instance, but that doesn't stack as far as we can tell.
2) Defense v. Knockdown may stack, but we're not sure. My data suggests that they don't stack, but data from a TKA suggests that they do stack. It might be that only TKA bonuses stack because they aren't tied to a specific weapon. More data is needed here.
3) Dodge is probably weapon specific. It is unlikely that Dodge from both Pistoleer and Fencer stack, although more testing is needed.
We can speculate a lot about how defenses work, but there's a lot we don't know at this point. What the Devs'do often makes no sense at all, and from what I've seen -- both in public forums and on Correspondent Forum -- I don't think anyone can say much more than what I've said above. We're trying to get more info from the Devs, but they haven't given us any,and we have a lot more testing to do before we figure this out.