Pistoleer Archive

I'm using a Krayt Scatter 1.9 Speed 150's-230's damage and i recently took up Pistoleer to help my BH as well beings i dropped what CH i had. Which would be a better weapon for a BH/Pistoleer combo. ARMOR IS FOR THE WEAK!! I also have a pistol speed of 85 for mod's wit my 1.9speed scatter how fast does it become? DX2 has a 2.x speed unsliced i believe so i'm still tryin' to get it sliced.

I'm not sure about your question but: "ARMOR IS FOR THE WEAK!!"

Was that just a random thought or a statement you just wanted to make to Pistoleers?

Either way, I like you kid, you got moxy.

my krayt scatter pistol (1.0 speed, 222 max damage) does considerably more damage than my krayt dx2 (2.2 speed 222 max damage). when i had BH pistol 4, i could shoot both using specials at the same rate. the scatter always came out ahead. that, and it looks/sounds a whole lot cooler.

I'm bh 0-0-4-0 pistoleer 2-4-4-3 and i kick butt. Scatter max dam is 302 speed 1.3 made from kryat. Pvp is so easy.

Aside from the higher speed and generally better damage scatter is also better in that you can make 5 scatters for every 1 DX2 you have made, krayt tissue wise. DX2 is nice to use in close quarters but eh.

Honestly since they fixed (sorta) the republic blaster, I haven't used anything but that.

Composite armor is for use against non stun damage pvp or ignorant ones stun damage makes composite armor useless WEAK INDEED!! Try a Tangle out against Comp Armor youll love it!!!

Understand what you mean but i advisegetting a composite armor with some stun resistance. Even 1% helps cause , for example, a tangle pistol is not AP, and so even 1% means 26% resistance to stun ( 25 from armor rating, 1 from the special resist) . Mine has 16% stun resistance.... works pretty good.

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Darth-Kevlar wrote:
Understand what you mean but i advise getting a composite armor with some stun resistance. Even 1% helps cause , for example, a tangle pistol is not AP, and so even 1% means 26% resistance to stun ( 25 from armor rating, 1 from the special resist) . Mine has 16% stun resistance.... works pretty good.

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You still have the light armor rating even if you have 0% resist to composite, making tangle still not worth it. Now, a rifleman with a jawa ion cannon that has AP1, that is lethal. As per the l337 dude 2 posts above implies, the tangle is not what I would use in PVP against a composite suited person.

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DarthXadius wrote:

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Darth-Kevlar wrote:
Understand what you mean but i advise getting a composite armor with some stun resistance. Even 1% helps cause , for example, a tangle pistol is not AP, and so even 1% means 26% resistance to stun ( 25 from armor rating, 1 from the special resist) . Mine has 16% stun resistance.... works pretty good.

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You still have the light armor rating even if you have 0% resist to composite, making tangle still not worth it. Now, a rifleman with a jawa ion cannon that has AP1, that is lethal. As per the l337 dude 2 posts above implies, the tangle is not what I would use in PVP against a composite suited person.

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Actually, Stun is listed as a vulnerability for composite. That means that stun does full damage and the ap1 rating is bypassed.

Also, AP1 imparts 50% protection, not 25%.

So, a suit of composite with a 1% stun layer will block 51% of the damage from a tangle pistol or jawa ion rifle.

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kormgar wrote:

Actually, Stun is listed as a vulnerability for composite. That means that stun does full damage and the ap1 rating is bypassed.

Also, AP1 imparts 50% protection, not 25%.

So, a suit of composite with a 1% stun layer will block 51% of the damage from a tangle pistol or jawa ion rifle.

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It will absorb 1% of 50% or 50.5% of the damage froma Tangle Pistol(thiscorrection would be more significant if we were talking about something like a 30% stun layer.. then it would be 65% vs. 80%)

Jawa Ion Rifle is AP1, so it will only absorb 1%.

You should assume that anyone wearing high quality triple stun layered composite (45% theoretical max according to the armorsmiths, usually 30-40% in practice depending on resources)is probably also sporting 90% effectiveness, so you're still best off with the tangle.The best possible composite would absorb 72.5% from stun and 95% from everything else and gear that's very close to that is not uncommon these days. Stun is your best bet for PvP.

For completeness, note that my "best possible composite would absorb" statement assumes being hit with AP0 weapons :-) The difference is only significant for the stun weapons though, for which pistoleers don't have much choice. For everything else 90% or 95% you're still just going to be tickling them.

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_Macabre_ wrote:

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kormgar wrote:

Actually, Stun is listed as a vulnerability for composite. That means that stun does full damage and the ap1 rating is bypassed.

Also, AP1 imparts 50% protection, not 25%.

So, a suit of composite with a 1% stun layer will block 51% of the damage from a tangle pistol or jawa ion rifle.

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It will absorb 1% of 50% or 50.5% of the damage from a Tangle Pistol (this correction would be more significant if we were talking about something like a 30% stun layer.. then it would be 65% vs. 80%)

Jawa Ion Rifle is AP1, so it will only absorb 1%.

You should assume that anyone wearing high quality triple stun layered composite (45% theoretical max according to the armorsmiths, usually 30-40% in practice depending on resources) is probably also sporting 90% effectiveness, so you're still best off with the tangle. The best possible composite would absorb 72.5% from stun and 95% from everything else and gear that's very close to that is not uncommon these days. Stun is your best bet for PvP.

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For the 4 or 5 people that have high 80% suits with maybe 20% stun layer on my sever perhaps tangle would be best. It would be fun to try. My best tangle is like 230 or 240. My high end AP1 DX's are like 360, AP1 Republics about the same. FWG's I have over 400 but those aren't AP1.

It would be interesting to see if someone with a 20% stun layer and 80ish general effectivness (they would get about 63-66% on general resists pre slice, so this is assuming resistence slices - and good ones on each piece) would be taking more damage when I last ditch them using my high end tangles vs. high end AP1 weapons. I still doubt the tangle would be worth it. =-(

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DarthXadius wrote:
For the 4 or 5 people that have high 80% suits with maybe 20% stun layer on my sever perhaps tangle would be best. It would be fun to try. My best tangle is like 230 or 240. My high end AP1 DX's are like 360, AP1 Republics about the same. FWG's I have over 400 but those aren't AP1.

It would be interesting to see if someone with a 20% stun layer and 80ish general effectivness (they would get about 63-66% on general resists pre slice, so this is assuming resistence slices - and good ones on each piece) would be taking more damage when I last ditch them using my high end tangles vs. high end AP1 weapons. I still doubt the tangle would be worth it. =-(

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You're lucky.. a lot more common on my server :-(

Assuming perfect hits against 45% stun, 90% base armor(since you didn't list the min dmg), a 360dmg DX2 would last ditch at 3240dmg, then after armor would hit for 324 actual floaty damage. For a 240dmg tangle it wouldlast ditchfor 2160 then after armor would hit for 594 actual floaty damage. Against 20% stun, 80% base armor it's 648 for the DX2 and 864 for the tangle. I could guess about the min on the DX2 but I'm not sure what it would be on a good tangle so damage mitigation 3might bring the averages closer together, but I suspect the tangle will still win out.