Pistoleer Archive
Thread: pistolmeleedefence?
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xFLIKx
Sat Jul 03, 2004 10:04 pm
#1
Does it actualy do melee damage or is it considered ranged? I ask because as far as I know melee attacks aren't supposed to be blockable by jedi, yet tonight I was fighting a jedi and she blocked it. Anyone know?
KaernLegorah
Sat Jul 03, 2004 10:24 pm
#2
I would guess that it's considered a Ranged attack, because Jedi can't block Melee attacks the same way they block Ranged attacks. Also, the game probably defines the type of attack (Melee/Ranged) based on the equipped weapon instead of the actual special attack. Of course I can't say for certain that it's a Ranged attack, so this could make a good question for TH sometime.
Oh, and if anybody wants to test it to find out, just find two people to help you. One person with Ranged Mitigation 3 and no Melee Mitigation, and the other with Melee Mitigation 3 and no Ranged Mitigation. The attack will do significantly less damage to one of the players, making it easy to determine what type of attack it is.
Oh, and if anybody wants to test it to find out, just find two people to help you. One person with Ranged Mitigation 3 and no Melee Mitigation, and the other with Melee Mitigation 3 and no Ranged Mitigation. The attack will do significantly less damage to one of the players, making it easy to determine what type of attack it is.
Veehawk
Sat Jul 03, 2004 10:26 pm
#3
Pistol Melee Defense 1 (pistolwhip) is a melee attack because when you have a pistol equipped it has the chance to kd (knockdown) a target, hence the melee term. You have to use the pistol in a melee styled manner. PMD 2 (pistol smash) is a higher damage melee attack that does not kd currently due to it being broken. So you do not shoot the pistol at all, meaning you must be at close range to hit your target with it and hope for a kd. And of course a jedi will most likely block it.
Message Edited by Veehawk on 07-03-2004 10:28 PM
KaernLegorah
Sat Jul 03, 2004 10:42 pm
#4
Veehawk wrote:Pistol Melee Defense 1 (pistolwhip) is a melee attack because when you have a pistol equipped it has the chance to kd (knockdown) a target, hence the melee term.
This makes no sense. It's a melee attack because it has a chance to KD? Does that make LowBlow a melee attack? Is ChargeShot (or whatever the name of that Carbine attack is called) a melee attack because it does a KD? Also, just because the word "Melee" is in the name doesn't mean the game actually considers the attack to be a melee attack. They could rename FanShot to "ThisIsAMeleeAttack" but it would still be a ranged attack.
We all know that the character doesn't shoot the pistol, but that just means there's a different set of animations involved with the attack.
And the fact that Jedi can block it means it mostly likely is a ranged attack since Jedi can't block melee attacks the way they block ranged attacks. They can block like Riflemen do, and still take some damage, but that's totally different.
We all know it's supposed to be a melee attack, but that doesn't mean that within the coding of the game it's not a ranged attack.
Message Edited by KaernLegorah on 07-03-2004 10:43 PM
Message Edited by KaernLegorah on 07-03-2004 10:44 PM
thermaldetonat0r
Sun Jul 04, 2004 4:15 am
#5
It is now widely known as pistol whip. It can be used up to 10m from your opponent and IS a melee attack. PMD1 KD's although it is difficult to get it to stick against powerful PVP'ers and the down time is minimal anyway. PMD2 is another broken special that does slightly higher damage than PMD1 but never KD's. Basically the best use for PMD1 is in PvE to bang in your bleeds.
Maybe they'll fix it one day, just don't hold your breath cos you'lll probabaly suffocate rather quickly!
Veehawk
Mon Jul 05, 2004 11:44 pm
#6
KaernLegorah wrote:
Veehawk wrote:
Pistol Melee Defense 1 (pistolwhip) is a melee attack because when you have a pistol equipped it has the chance to kd (knockdown) a target, hence the melee term.
This makes no sense. It's a melee attack because it has a chance to KD? Does that make LowBlow a melee attack? Is ChargeShot (or whatever the name of that Carbine attack is called) a melee attack because it does a KD? Also, just because the word "Melee" is in the name doesn't mean the game actually considers the attack to be a melee attack. They could rename FanShot to "ThisIsAMeleeAttack" but it would still be a ranged attack.
We all know that the character doesn't shoot the pistol, but that just means there's a different set of animations involved with the attack.
And the fact that Jedi can block it means it mostly likely is a ranged attack since Jedi can't block melee attacks the way they block ranged attacks. They can block like Riflemen do, and still take some damage, but that's totally different.
We all know it's supposed to be a melee attack, but that doesn't mean that within the coding of the game it's not a ranged attack.
Message Edited by KaernLegorah on 07-03-2004 10:43 PM
Message Edited by KaernLegorah on 07-03-2004 10:44 PM
Low blow = ranged kd because you can shoot someone with it from 65m out and kd them
PMD 1 - melee because you never fire a shot but you pistol whip them in a melee fashion because you have to be up close and personal with your weapon., hence the reason why it is called "Pistol M E L E E Defense."
I don't think that I could possibly dumb that down for you any more "Mr. I gtef and write stories about how much I pwn."
akd23
Tue Jul 06, 2004 1:28 pm
#7
I think this is considered to be a ranged attack by the game, as melee attacks require you to be standing- you can not use them in a kneeling position in this game.
Pistol Melee Defence works while you are kneeling in combat, in the same wayranged attacks do.
It's a short ranged attack to defend against opponents using melee attacks on you, but is still a ranged attack.
Klisof
Hakai
Tue Jul 06, 2004 7:47 pm
#8
looks like another one to write up for in the list.
"pistolmeleedefense 1is not being recognized as a melee attack, but as a ranged attack"
*fix*
"pistolmeleedefense has been to pistolsupershortrangednoblasterfireshotdefense and is now a "pointblank" ranged attack without KD"
pistoleers all over the galaxy scream in frustration, and commit suicide in a single blastwith their new "strangely" high damage when self-inflicted special.
Message Edited by Hakai on 07-07-2004 03:51 AM
KaernLegorah
Tue Jul 06, 2004 8:00 pm
#9
Veehawk wrote:I don't think that I could possibly dumb that down for you any more "Mr. I gtef and write stories about how much I pwn."
... What the hell are you talking about? I don't PvP; I'm not on your server; I've NEVER taken advantage of Group-TEF; and I've never written any stories or told any stories about me beating anybody (not even NPCs). You have me mistaken for somebody else, or else you're just being an **edit** for no good reason. Take your pick.
Oh and your arguements for PistolMeleeDefense being a Melee attack don't quite answer the question that was asked. We all acknowledge what PistolMeleeDefense stands for. We all know what a Pistol Whip is. However, just because the name and attack animation show one thing, doesn't mean that the inner game mechanics are effected. The attack is blockable by Jedi (no Melee attacks are blockable by Jedi), and you can use it while kneeling (can't use Melee attacks while kneeling). These things are evidence that PistolMeleeDefense, despite the name, despite the animation, and despite no animation of a blaster bolt, is actually a Ranged attack. All that's needed is a variable called Attack_Type and have it set to Ranged instead of Melee. Nobody is arguing over what a Pistol Whip is, or how it's meant to work. The point is that the attack is being deflected by Jedi, which is shouldn't be if it's a Melee attack. Since it is being deflected by Jedi, then it's either a bug or somewhere in the code the attack is incorrectly flagged as a Ranged attack instead of a Melee attack. You can define Pistol Whip and point out the Melee in the PistolMeleeDefense all day long, but that won't get us anywhere in answering the original question.
Message Edited by KaernLegorah on 07-06-2004 08:08 PM
Bridonar
Tue Jul 06, 2004 10:02 pm
#10
Something else for the CB I guess.
And, with all the evidence shown here, there is no reason to believe that PMD is a melee attack, even though it should be.
Hakai
Thu Jul 08, 2004 9:06 pm
#11
it just seems kind of comical that an attack with an animation of use "smashing" a critter is considered a ranged attack........especially when a melee lunge attack can knock us flat on our ass from twice the distance almost.....
Randonb
Fri Jul 09, 2004 2:05 pm
#12
We'vesuspected this for a long time (I've even commented on it), but never had reason to really care enough to test or do much complaining about it. The attack is flagged as a point blank ranged attack because it is used with a ranged weapon. The animation itself is meaningless, as far as the game mechanics are concerned.
Fixing this bug would be a challenge to say the least, and require recoding the basis of how melee and ranged attacks are flagged. For such a minimal payoff of the development resources required, in all honesty I expect we'll have it for a long, long time.
biwan:
MachineZed
Fri Jul 09, 2004 2:45 pm
#13
Now heres a thought that just blew my mind. If I were to perform a PMD while equipped with a Striker Pistol, I would be doing a Ranged attackthat only works atmelee distance while doing kinetic damage.
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