Pistoleer Archive

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Orima wrote:

The devs need to look at the roles of all the normal states..

but in a nut shell imo

Dizzy = less defense

Blind = less accuracy

and

Stun = less speed. which translates to less dmg output.

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Now that makes sense to me I take it you just mean weapon speed?

Just as a crazy idea... Stun = Target completely unable to do anything for about 2seconds (including move, attack, regen, heal etc etc). Guess this would be open to a lot of abuse though and thinking about it would give riflemen dabblers an I Win button unless you stuck it on Master Pistols. Give it a longish warm-up and cool down though and it might not be too overpowered.

A few guildies and I did a couple of Corvette runns after pub 19, you are basically in a continual state of stun from the NPC's that spam burst shot.

Other dungeons have similar Burst happy NPC's so bearing that in mind, we have to come up for realistic ideas, especially as in a fight Pistoleers and PIkeman can pretty much keep a target stunned for the entire duration.

Combat Speed Reduction might be a good idea, but may be pretty horrific when combined with CM Thyroid Rupture.

It seems only Intimidate works properly at the moment... anyway, my model would be as follows then:

Intimidate: reduce damage 20%
Stun : reduce damage by 10%and defense by 15%

I have also asked Gunman21, the PIkeman correspondant what he thinks should happen as Pikemen are pretty much the melee version of Pistoleers where Attack Control is concerned.

Message Edited by BadgerSmaker on 07-01-2005 03:48 PM

Message Edited by Nifty on 07-01-2005 11:28 AM

Thanks for digging that up Nifty,

Blixtev confirmed for me that Stun does -10 to accuracy and defence.

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BadgerSmaker wrote:

A few guildies and I did a couple of Corvette runns after pub 19, you are basically in a continual state of stun from the NPC's that spam burst shot.

Other dungeons have similar Burst happy NPC's so bearing that in mind, we have to come up for realistic ideas, especially as in a fight Pistoleers and PIkeman can pretty much keep a target stunned for the entire duration.

Combat Speed Reduction might be a good idea, but may be pretty horrific when combined with CM Thyroid Rupture.

This is what the state effects do now:

Intimidate: reduce opponent damage output by 20%
Stun : reduce accuracy and defense (-10)

Dizzy: reduce accuracy and defense by ?
Blind: greatly reduce accuracy by 20%?

So maybe the realistic option is 10% accuracy and defence reduction? That way we get the ability to reduce attack by 30% and defence by %10, then further reduce defence with warning shot's -80 mod.

I need to find more data on Dizzy and Blind. Will update this post when I find it.

It seems only Intimidate works properly at the moment... anyway, my model would be as follows then:

Intimidate: reduce damage 20%
Stun : reduce damage by 10%and defense by 15%

Dizzy: reduce accuracy by 10% and defense by 15%
Blind: reduce accuracy by 20%

So when you are blind/stun/intimidated/dizzy you get

30% to damage reduction

30% to defence reduction

30% to accuracy reduction

That would be pretty nasty and well worth healing/recovering.

I have also asked Gunman21, the PIkeman correspondant what he thinks should happen as Pikemen are pretty much the melee version of Pistoleers where Attack Control is concerned.

Message Edited by BadgerSmaker on 07-01-200503:48 PM

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Pug wrote:
I like the 30% damage/defense/accuracy reduction idea. However, I'd like to see the states last longer OR have the advanced/improved versions of the specials have a big increase in their chance to stick the state.

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I saw a comment on the Bounty Hunter forums that made me laugh. This is extremely silly, but fun to think about if it was implemented.

Blind - Makes your screen go black and then fades-to-normal over5 seconds.

Dizzy - Makes your screen shake and then stabilizes-to-normal over 5 seconds.

Stun- Makes your screen freeze and then speeds-up-to-normal over 5 seconds.

This would be on top of their other states. This would DEFINTELY make State Recovery worth while.

all these ideas are good, but like some ppl are stating: If they add a stop all regen, it will force jedis to go healer 0004. And Im not feeling that. A solution to this would be to add state recoveries on the paddy box or Knight box. Make healer 0004 heal stuff like snares, roots, or a counter toCM debuffs, ect. Something that some1 want but is not required. just my 2 cents

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Serenloth wrote:

Make healer 0004 heal stuff like snares, roots, or a counter toCM debuffs, ect.

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stun should just continue to work like it did pre-cu, lower your defense and damage output. its continuing to do that more or less indirectly right now.

anyway i feel stun shouldnt affect action regen at all, that is what debuffs are for. if they made it so that it did mess with regen then it shouldnt stack with debuffs.

lastly, theres no true counter to stun currently. that is to say healing it is useless when it can be reapplied so easily once removed. fighting storm troopers this is something ive noticed a lot. they would stun me and if i removed it they would just stun me again and again and again. so with that said if stun worked against regen in any way it would be too powerful for the fact it can be applied and reapplied too easily.