Pistoleer Archive

I posted in response to Jaegen's request for suggestions to improve the Pistoleer class in light of the coming Disarm II nerf. Some one or more folks rated it a 1, which means that with default forum settings that don't show 1 rated posts, most people would never see it. I ask of the community here, what in my post made it so useless, annoying, rude, vulgar, or otherwise unworthy of even reading that it should be filtered out? Unless I'm missing something (in which case please point it out to me), the only thing I can come up with is that it was intentional forum sabotage to prevent people from seeing the post.

- This means that either someone from another class doesn't want us to consider getting these abilities.

- Or someone in the Pistoleer class (or another class that would be affected by them) doesn't want people considering the second half of the post, which lists nerfs that need to be made for further balancing.

Here is the original post:

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Improvements:

Get rid of Point Blank Single II and Point Blank Area II.

Move BS3 down to Pistol Tactics II (from III). Make BS3 more damage than BS2, plus have a (take your pick) bleed, stun, or dizzy effect.

At Pistol Tactics IV add Chest Shot (or BS4 - whatever you want to cal it) - slightly more damage than BS3, plus bleed, plus stun or dizzy.

Change Pistol Melee Defense I to "Pistol Defense I", and add stun to it (melee range KD + stun). Change Pistol Melee Defense II to "Pistol Defense II" and make it a ranged KD + dizzy.

Our Marksmanship line gives no special attacks. Add two to it. One should be a mind bleed + stun (at Marksmanship I or II). The second should be a mind pool targetted high damage shot + blind (at Marksmanship IV)

NERFS:

Change our (and everyone's) pistol speed skill so that at higher percentages it doesn't make any weapon fire at 1 shot per second. Recommended change: Skill caps at 100. Scale skill values of 0 to 100 to weapon speed reductions of 0 to 75%. So 50 skill would go from giving a 50% speed reduction to a 37.5% reduction, and 100 skill would change from a 100% reduction that always hits the 1 second cap to a 75% reduction.

Change our new, and any existing, Dizzy effects to have an effect similar to blind + stun - you shoot less accurately and more slowly for a short period of time - NOT like it is currently where you keep falling down and can't do anything for a while (might as well be KD then).

Make sure that our Suppression Fire posture down is getting nerfed along with Knock-down because it is overpowered in PvE. I can't remember whether the 30 second timer was for KD only, or for both, but it should be for both.

Balance our KD HAM costs to other classes. Currently our KDs take less HAM than most other profession's. This is because it is a flat multiplier tied to weapon HAM, and our weapons have lower HAMs. Either reduce the multiplier for other professions, or increase it for us, but the costs should be similar.
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Looking back on this post, I don't see how it could be so objectionable. I would fix a couple spelling / grammar mistakes But that's about it, except for:

I was watching for special modifiers to attacks some this weekend, and I noticed that dizzy was not making me do that "continuously fall down so you can't do ANYTHING for a while" effect. Was it changed? Or does it only sometimes do that?

From what I know, dizzy only actually comes into effect when you've been knocked down...so if you get dizzy but don't get knocked down by anything, you're ok - but if you do get knocked down while dizzy, you'll be standing up and falling over again for a little while (don't know the actual timer, sorry)

That's just plain stupid. As it stands right now pistoleer needs a few more nerfs before we even THINK about throwing them a bone.

Well I think we found the sabatour. Balamor. I gave you a good rating, that was a fine post. I suspect that someone also did that to my post here - http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=pistoleer&message.id=8808

The thread was just getting lively and actually was stimulating some mature discussion about how not only to improve pistoleer, but possibly alot of other problems classes are having as well, and whammo, I got a 1 rating.

Balamor what class are you, you seem to hate pistoleers a lot with out giving any back up.

He just did it to my post. I reported him. That is BS. We should be allowed to have our forum. I don't know about you guys, but I don't go spam up other proffesions boards just because one or two of them do it here. I don't believe in crying NERF for ANY proffession either.

These are good threads with intelligent discussions in them that ARE NOT crying nerf for other proffessions or complaining about BH's being overpowered or other such detrimental flaming. And this guy is trying to suppress intelligent discussion. This should not be tolerated and I urge you all to report him, not that that might do anything, but we should try.

now whose the whinny baby ha please devs make pistoleers balanced by nerfing them a bit more, it would do us all alot of good.

Hey, just trying to effect change through legitimate methods. Not censoring intelligent thought. So what was that about whining and babies?

Balomor,

After reviewing your recent posts this morning, I have found that you are not posting very constructive content. Content such as "whose the whinny baby ha" is not tolerated on our forums and will result in an official warning.

boo hoo poor balamor he is right tho i do think there needs to be a few nerfs on pistoleers

BigEdMustafe, are you dense enough to do the same thing that someone just got warned for in this post? Seriously, provide legitimate reasons to your claims.

BigEdMustafe is nothing but Balamor.. back to troll on our boards.

Yeah, I figured that out. Every single last troll that comes here, I check there previous messages. Balamor is a bounty hunter just like every other troll here. I am dead serious, they have ALL been bounty hunters. Kind of sad whenbounty huntersuses the best pistol, when soon have the best pistol attack, and still come here saying we need nerfed. I see eye shots doing 300 damage to the mind pool while if we use bodyshot2 in PvP we might break 100.Since bounty hunters can be or are pistoleersthen bounty hunters willneed to be broughtdown a few rungs.By improving pistoleer, you indirectly help bounty hunters.