Pistoleer Archive
Thread: Who said pistols suck?
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Koch20
Wed Dec 15, 2004 12:27 am
#1
I was a bit nervous about bieng able to kill anything worth while when I decided to become a BH/pistoleer. Tonight I made my first trip to the WDF on naboo. For those that don't know it filled with imps and thebuffed storm troopers.It'sa great place for holo's, CA/AA, and rebel FP. I was master pistol/bh 3020 when i went tonight. I use to clean this place out as a swordmen. Well, I went in Geo pistol a blazin using fan shot, so to my surprise the whole place aggro's me since area shots go through walls. It was a blast and IMO even easier then doing it as a master swordsmen. I would recomend having novice medic for this but not required if your carefull. Also a good geo is a must.
"To tired to attack" Ciry 
BadgerSmaker
Wed Dec 15, 2004 3:27 am
#2
Nobody says they suck.
What we're all saying is that Master Pistoleer on its own is nowhere near what it should be, with mainly broken or redundant moves and no states, lack of speed and armour piercing and the need to take lines from smuggler and bounty hunter to compete in PvE and PvP.
I've been a Master Pistoleer for about a year now, at one point I picked up Dirty Fighting during the holo grind but other than that I've just had Master Pistoleer.
With decent armour, buffs and weapons you can kill anything... it just takes so much longer than a lot of other professions. 
RenKesson
Wed Dec 15, 2004 12:10 pm
#3
Yeah, the moves that work, we've learned how to make work well. It's just all the stuff that ISN'T working that we have a complaint with.
DarthNkari
Thu Dec 16, 2004 6:48 am
#4
in my opinion, pistoleer profession does kinda suck
take away your BH skills (and mine) and we become a joke....nice defense (kinda sorta) but cant hurt anyone
when you compare us to other classes like rifleman, swordsman, or tka...you can see that those professions do perfectly well by themselves....so they can add in crafting classes or doc or combat medic
as a pistoleer we are forced to add in either BH and/or smuggler just to be worthy of pvp. and adding in bh or smuggler is practically more skill points than master pistoleer itself!
for those reason, a conclusion can be drawn that pistoleer sucks (on its own)...but its all good cause pistols are very fun, and the profession is versatile when you mix all that other stuff in. i am a pistoleer
RenKesson
Thu Dec 16, 2004 7:03 am
#5
Pistoleer still doesn't suck on its own, imo. We get a wide range of damage types (kinetic, energy, stun, acid), including an AP1 Acid weapon, which only Carbineers can otherwise boast of. And we all know Acid's value in PvP (PSGs have no effect on Acid damage!)so that can give us an edge for sure. Without the BH's speed mods we can still cap most of our most useful specials (PMD1, HS2, FanShot) with a decent weapon (2.4 spd) and our varied damage types (including the two most effective damage types in PvP atm) can still make a Master Pistoleer a worthy foe. But again, it's all about picking your targets.
Our biggest disadvantage, imo, is the fact that PvP right now is geared so much towards attacking Mind, and a Pistoleer has NO Mind attacks (I'm talking about the Pistoleer profession only now, not BH Pistols, etc.) Granted, I have taken a toon down by spamming HS2 before (his Health just seemed to drop faster than his mind, for some reason...), but for the most part, if you can't KD-Dizzy or spam and Mind attack, you're not going get yourself the time to bring down an opponent's Health unless you have an uber Geno or DX2 pistol.
In a world of Defense Stackers and Temploiters, if you aren't one yourself, you're at a severe disadvantage... but again, CURB should fix that.
Uthyr
Thu Dec 16, 2004 8:51 am
#6
Edited--I misread a sentence I was replying to! :-)
Message Edited by Uthyr on 12-16-2004 10:53 AM
blacknebula
Thu Dec 16, 2004 2:40 pm
#8
The problem is just having the money to get the good pistols
WillburWright
Thu Dec 16, 2004 3:28 pm
#9
Exactly.
DarthNkari wrote:
in my opinion, pistoleer profession does kinda suck
take away your BH skills (and mine) and we become a joke....nice defense (kinda sorta) but cant hurt anyone
when you compare us to other classes like rifleman, swordsman, or tka...you can see that those professions do perfectly well by themselves....so they can add in crafting classes or doc or combat medic
as a pistoleer we are forced to add in either BH and/or smuggler just to be worthy of pvp. and adding in bh or smuggler is practically more skill points than master pistoleer itself!
for those reason, a conclusion can be drawn that pistoleer sucks (on its own)...but its all good cause pistols are very fun, and the profession is versatile when you mix all that other stuff in. i am a pistoleer
breati
Sun Dec 19, 2004 9:26 pm
#10
RenKesson wrote:
Pistoleer still doesn't suck on its own, imo. We get a wide range of damage types (kinetic, energy, stun, acid), including an AP1 Acid weapon, which only Carbineers can otherwise boast of. And we all know Acid's value in PvP (PSGs have no effect on Acid damage!)so that can give us an edge for sure. Without the BH's speed mods we can still cap most of our most useful specials (PMD1, HS2, FanShot) with a decent weapon (2.4 spd) and our varied damage types (including the two most effective damage types in PvP atm) can still make a Master Pistoleer a worthy foe. But again, it's all about picking your targets.
Our biggest disadvantage, imo, is the fact that PvP right now is geared so much towards attacking Mind, and a Pistoleer has NO Mind attacks (I'm talking about the Pistoleer profession only now, not BH Pistols, etc.) Granted, I have taken a toon down by spamming HS2 before (his Health just seemed to drop faster than his mind, for some reason...), but for the most part, if you can't KD-Dizzy or spam and Mind attack, you're not going get yourself the time to bring down an opponent's Health unless you have an uber Geno or DX2 pistol.
In a world of Defense Stackers and Temploiters, if you aren't one yourself, you're at a severe disadvantage... but again, CURB should fix that.
Um all ranged profs have an acid weapon Like rifles with the DXR6b with medium armor peircing.
Message Edited by breati on 12-19-2004 11:28 PM
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