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Thread: Pistoleer PvP?
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TeepoJedi
Mon Dec 20, 2004 12:27 am
#2
Just curious how the master pistoleer, BH 3/0/4/0, smuggler 0/0/4/0 template stacks up in PvP hunting Jedi. I have read the master saber users block everything but I don't want to play melee. I'm currently a triple master tkm/smug/pistoleer and
looking for something new to go with and thought i'd enjoy the BH aspects and hunting Jedi. So anyone out there using this template have much sucess?
meishac
Mon Dec 20, 2004 9:48 pm
#4
no dead eye stims do not get you thru the saber block, accuracy does NOT bypass saber block, many test have shown this, if accuracy allowed you to bypass saberblock then master bh/carbiners would have little problem with saberblock, if you have instances of getting shots by saberblock, then it is just luck
to the original poster: yes that is a pretty effective template for hunting jedi, you will not fair well against anything that is master saber, but no ranged prof does. since your already a smuggler i dont have to tell you how awesome last ditch and low blow are, except they are even more awesome when you're speed capped with a nice de-10 or other similarly powerful pistol, i used to have the template you are talking about and i loved it and was pretty succesful with it, only reason i dropped it was because i missed my llc and medic(i do alot of unbuffed hunting) you have to pick a template that is fun to play, if you will have the most fun with that template, then that is the best template for you
BeWary
Mon Dec 20, 2004 11:24 pm
#5
The stun state attached to last ditch drops saber block rates. Stun lowers all passive defenses. Bomb bots cannot be blocked. You can warcry and intim at will w/o switching weapons. You have 4 of the tools all Jedi should fear.
Now it comes down to learning to use them effectively.
edited to add: and yes, for a shot to be blocked, it has to hit. All dead-eye will do is drop the number of times you miss completely. Block works just like dodge, except it is limited to ranged attacks. Most jedi have crappy ranged defense and rely on block so you prolly won't be missin alot anyways.
Now it comes down to learning to use them effectively.
edited to add: and yes, for a shot to be blocked, it has to hit. All dead-eye will do is drop the number of times you miss completely. Block works just like dodge, except it is limited to ranged attacks. Most jedi have crappy ranged defense and rely on block so you prolly won't be missin alot anyways.
Message Edited by BeWary on 12-20-2004 11:26 PM
Shin-Ryu
Tue Dec 21, 2004 4:21 am
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TeepoJedi wrote:
Just curious how the master pistoleer, BH 3/0/4/0, smuggler 0/0/4/0 template stacks up in PvP hunting Jedi. I have read the master saber users block everything but I don't want to play melee. I'm currently a triple master tkm/smug/pistoleer and
looking for something new to go with and thought i'd enjoy the BH aspects and hunting Jedi. So anyone out there using this template have much sucess?
I was a Master BH and Master Pistoleer. Was ok with Jedi hunting, eyeshot is great but Jedi have saberblock which was very effective against my attacks.
I didnt have smuggler specials but I dont see how they are different from eyeshot, if they keep getting blocked.
The best way to hunt jedi is to gank.
Two "good" pvp'ers can take any jedi down, I have seen this many times..
I switched to Triple master and love it..Would be better if pistoleer was a little more powerfull.
I am not a Master smuggler, I just dont see the benefit besides slicing..I am not going to give up 43 sp for slicing,...no way.
Hope this helps..
BeWary
Tue Dec 21, 2004 3:05 pm
#7
I didnt have smuggler specials but I dont see how they are different from eyeshot, if they keep getting blocked.
Even if the hit is blocked, if it has a state or DOT tied to it, it passes right thru block.
Torso shot, even when blocked, will cause a burn.
Last Ditch, even when blocked, has a chance to cause a stunned state. Which lowers saber block rates, making your next shot, and any shot taken while the Jedi is stunned, more likey to get thru.
Jedi get very little in the way of ranged mitigation abilities, so when you do hit, it will really, really hurt.
Even if the hit is blocked, if it has a state or DOT tied to it, it passes right thru block.
Torso shot, even when blocked, will cause a burn.
Last Ditch, even when blocked, has a chance to cause a stunned state. Which lowers saber block rates, making your next shot, and any shot taken while the Jedi is stunned, more likey to get thru.
Jedi get very little in the way of ranged mitigation abilities, so when you do hit, it will really, really hurt.
Kevie
Tue Dec 21, 2004 4:24 pm
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BeWary wrote:
I didnt have smuggler specials but I dont see how they are different from eyeshot, if they keep getting blocked.
Even if the hit is blocked, if it has a state or DOT tied to it, it passes right thru block.
Torso shot, even when blocked, will cause a burn.
Last Ditch, even when blocked, has a chance to cause a stunned state. Which lowers saber block rates, making your next shot, and any shot taken while the Jedi is stunned, more likey to get thru.
Jedi get very little in the way of ranged mitigation abilities, so when you do hit, it will really, really hurt.
that same weakness is our weakness- we have no melee mitigation and very little defense
but listen to him folks, torso shot is killer... it's the onlyDOT that cannot be cured easily unless they go for a swim, and states (intimidate/stun/blind... you will have access to all of them with this template) can make or break the tide of battle
D3st0r
Wed Dec 22, 2004 2:24 am
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I'm pretty sure that no state has any effect on saber block whatsoever. Saber block completely ignores every other factor that should impact its performance, including CL onnpcs (350k HAM rebel admiral will get just as many shots through as a 350 HAM meatlump) and accuracy. For instance, go up to a canyon krayt with capped dodge, capped melee defenseand a /center of macro, the krayt is still never going to miss you, its CL is too high, before they fixed the creature to-hit ratios you could out-stack them, but not anymore, and in pvp just intimidate adodge stacker andyou wont misswithdecent accuracy. This doesnt apply to saber block, and I've noticed no difference in the % blocking rates while stunned, or intimidated, or blinded, or stunned/intimidated/blinded/dizzy/bleeding/onfire/poisoned/diseased and KD'd, I still block at roughly 85% 
Zandergeef
Wed Dec 22, 2004 1:47 pm
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I used to do friendly duels with a buddy who was master pistoleer and BH pistols. We would do it unbuffed sometimes and torso shot got me every time.
TeepoJedi
Fri Dec 24, 2004 2:38 pm
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Well I'm working on Investigation now and hope within the next 2 weeks i'll be able to start hunting Jedi players. I've read that a target macro is a useful thing while hunting Jedi as well as a bomb droid macro. Can any pistol BH's post any toolbar setups or other good macros or useful combos to use when taking down Jedi, for example lowblow, lastditch, torso shot, what's a good order to open up with on a target and the reason for such? On another note can anyone suggest good BE clothing, what should I be wearing when Jedi hunting?
If you don't want to post for everyone to read please send an email, anything would be appreciated.
Merry Xmas
CaixCatab
Sat Dec 25, 2004 3:10 am
#13
D3st0r, there's plenty of jedi on my server who are willing to swear both stun and intimidate will lower saber block. I was willing to buy stun because it makes sense, but after my last long-term tangle with an MLS I'm also willing to believe intimidate lowers it. Testing performed by brawlers indicate the same thing. For all intents and purposes, it seems like saber block is handled like a secondary defense. An uber one that keeps working no matter what accuracy your opponent has, but one that is still affected by the regular debuffs.
But as far as I know, no one's actually tried it properly, so it could be all perception.
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