Pistoleer Archive

Thread: Why the wars?

DethZiro
Wed Oct 29, 2003 9:34 am
#1

Why do peolpe try to start wars between pistoleer and rifleman? I read the rifelman forums all the time - we rairly complain aboutpistoleers nor did any rifleman beg for a pistoleer nerf. As arifleman, i can safelysay we spendall of our time worrying about ourselves. I agree that each profession has problems, but bickering about it wont solve a thing. I also agree rifleman should shoot slower; rifleman should shoot 4 times slower, but to ballance that out, given higher accuracy. Pistol should shoot faster than they already do for less damage - giving enought room between classes for carbineer. In all logic, carbineer should be the best of the three, (being the best all around) but it dosnt seem to work out that way. No combat profession should be considered a "support profession", so please stop saying thats what rifleman is. That just simply isn't fair to those who grinded for weeks to earn master - plus its not fair for this "support profession" to have to beg people to go PVP with him or else he will die. Please do not post here unless you have somthing intellegent and constructive to say. I'm not looking for a war, just a calm discussion. (my brother in the game is a master pistoleer, we PVP all the time to test out different strategies, so i do know what rifleman and pistoleer is capable of)
DisplacedSurfeR
Wed Oct 29, 2003 9:49 am
#2

Why when i post screens of rifleman hitting me 3 times in a row for 400 mind damage do they get ignored


I dont think any class needs nerfs or adjustments (cept there needs to be a counter tofire)people just need to learn how to play them better. And of course each class needs its broken skills fixed






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Catphreak
Wed Oct 29, 2003 10:26 am
#3






DisplacedSurfeR wrote:

Why when i post screens of rifleman hitting me 3 times in a row for 400 mind damage do they get ignored






When people will learn how to wear Head armor, maybe?
cue-ball
Wed Oct 29, 2003 11:41 am
#4

what good would head arnor do against the ar3 t21?





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PotionsMaster
Wed Oct 29, 2003 5:15 pm
#5

Wookies = no head armor. Remember that please.


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BeWary
Wed Oct 29, 2003 8:32 pm
#6

You can thank Marco for that. None of us started posting in the rifleman forum about how your guns are to powerfull .....



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Windsplitter
Wed Oct 29, 2003 9:09 pm
#7

who asked you to be a wookie in the first place? in any case, wooks are supposed to be getting new things to wear. anyones guess what they are though.


you have no reason to blame all riflemen in fact, you are really just venting your frustration on a class because of a nerf that may be done to you by the devs. and before you point fingers at other people, be aware that your own kind have made alot of noise about other classes, for example, bounty hunters, creature handlers etc etc etc. but it by no means shows that all the players who are pistoleers are a bad bunch.


push too far and you will only cause a nerf war which will not only affect everyone else, but yourselves included and ultimately people will get sick and tired and leave. sure you may think, so what? big deal, but you've just messed up the game for alot of other players who are minding their own business. you know what, i TRUELY HOPE that that the devs close down the forums like they did in EQ so that no one can say anything and maybe then, and only then, will the devs be able to create/fix thegame in peace.


To be honest here, how many nerfs have you had that are truely detrimental? With those nerfs do you truely think its the be all and end all of the class? there are so many example of this. remember when TKAs were supposed to be so strong at the start of the game? everyone cried nerf, yeah they got nerfed big time and now where are they? i think they're are doing better now and are balancing out quite nicely. sure it has problems still, but they are coming along. Look at commandos, heh, no one would even touch that class in the beginning but where are they now? Look at creature handlers, Major s-c-r-e-w over there. EVERYONE cried and dispised. they got seriously nerfed, babies were taken away, and even now, it continues. but eventually i believe that in time they will rise again.


If you had half the **edit** wit, you'd realise that one persons opinion does not cause a class to be nerfed. and at the same time REALISE that NO CLASS is set in stone. To date, EQ is still experiencing class changes and thats a game which has been around for years.


You got a problem with your class, talk to your correspondant and to the devs.






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DarthSadeth
Thu Oct 30, 2003 6:09 am
#8

Alot of our anger is not pointed straight at the riflemen. It would seem that the three main combat classes (pistoleer/riflemen/carbineer) need some special lovin'. As for the "support profession" comments towards riflemen, never seen 'em myself, but we pistoleers feel your pain. We have been called a support profession for a long time now. My question is this, if the FWG5 is getting this nerf to keep people with just pistol 4 in marksmen from being to powerful, why not add all the marksmen weapons to that list. I have seen many an uber laser rifle and laser carbine, which are lower on the trees than the FWG5. However, I am fine with the coming change in the guns, as long as the speed issue gets addressed. Pistoleer should be the fastest gun in the galaxy, bar none. One the other side, riflemen should be the most accurate shot, bar none. Maybe it is time for pistoleers and carbineers and riflemen to band together and scratch each others backs. We are the rightful footsoilders of the GCW, yet that role is filled currently by Commandos and BH's. On of the things I would like to see go in, is for all our elite weapons to nolonger require specific resources to make, so that we can have the best available weapons at all time, just like Commandos have now.



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guinnis
Thu Oct 30, 2003 9:00 am
#9

LOL wookiees cant wear helmets guess the sheep of swg just got to grin and take it



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gunner4life
Thu Oct 30, 2003 1:07 pm
#10

you have to understand that if this fwg5 nerf goes through we will be left with no viable weapons ( considering the dx2 is currently crap). dont get me wrong i agree that pistols should not have a unsliced , unpoweredup max damage of more than250 but this nerf is taking things to the other extreme. i have spoken to several master weaponsmiths from different serversabout the nerf and they all agree that the best fwg-5 post nerf will be approximately 50 - 165 2.1, this my friend is unacceptable keeping in mind the other crappy pistols available to pistoleers. this problem is further enhanced by the fact that other pistols like the scatter and launcher will be unaffected by the changes .



p.s. i have never owned a krayt pistol but the standard fwg-5's i currently use are 61- 208 1.8 . powered up and with a decent damage slice it becomes 100 - 350 1.8. surely this is not excessive when you compare it to other weapons in the game.




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DilatedPeoples
Thu Oct 30, 2003 1:44 pm
#11

Lol wear a helmet... I was wore a 64% composite helm (yeah its sorta crappy,but atleast its armor), when a riflemen hit my mind for over 1k dmg.Didn't like that.. soI gota 80% energy helm(ham sliced)...haven't had a chance to test it out, but hopefully it will take 2 shots to kill me now, instead of one. But I think the main reason that pistoleer have some bad blood with riflemen is because you guys are shooting at one second. This makes you guys extreamly overpowered. How would it make you guys feel if we got AP3 weapons? lol-DP



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