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Thread: PvP Combat Thread-Strategies/Ideas
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ErwinRommel
Sun May 09, 2004 6:25 am
#1
Well I hate to say, but pistoleers the galaxy over are getting their asses handed to them by stronger classes like the lame Cm/Rifleman combo that seems to be all the rage now. So I want this thread to be where all pistoleers, regardless of other classes they have with it, to be able to come in and share succesful pvp combat strats and ideas to use before the combat revamp. My only requirements is that hopefully anyone posting would be primarily a pistoleer in pvp. Lets start, shall we?
1) We can't hit the mind pool all the time with an attack. BHs can so that isnt an issue for Bh/pistoleers however the rest of us are left in the cold against such things as the Rifleman.
2)Rifleman (again) have jawa ion rifles which do stun damage. The big deal is that they are (AP 1) which means they cut through our stun composite pretty fast, and our geos and tangles really cant to a damn thing about it.
3) Our most useful specials really aren't that broken (body shot 3 is NOT broken) but really arent as strong as they need to be. Case and point: Body shot 3, while not broken, does less damage per hit than health shot 2! Often times we have to take up other combat classes to just fair decently in pvp.
4) Many people are now doctors in pvp to stack along with their class. This means they can heal state changes, themselves, poisen, fire all in the midst of combat. Since we hit the health pool which is easily stim packed, were at a disadvantage.
5) I just realized we don't really have any state changing attacks. No dizzy/kds, no stun, nothing useful I can think of off the top of my head, anyone?
6) What else?
Heres what I am: Master pistoleer/master smuggler/fencer 0440. That means I have uber defenses, very high anti- kd and dizzy (great for vs the TKAs), melee mitigation 2, ranged mit 3, 5 stacking health bleeds (1 from a mod. republic blaster) and body hit 3, which is a very powerful melee attack to the health pool.
What can I do now to be succesful in pvp?
Now that the lowblow/panic shot has been nerfed, maybe one of my only good advantages, what can I?
I usually end up in longer battles between buffed opponents (being buffed myself): like to bleed with as many of my bleeds as I can, and then use my geo pistol and low blow/last ditch to kill the enemies since last ditch is such a powerful attack pet hit. If their health pool is getting weak I use body shot 3 (though now I think I will start using health shot 2).
Is doubletap/ fanshot worth using in pvp?
I'm not a bh, I can't spam eye shot so what should I do to win?
Need help, lets figure this out fellow gunfighters. There has to be a way!
Kevie
Sun May 09, 2004 6:44 am
#2
fanshot is useful in pvp the same way it is useful in pve: against a lot of opponents
but with players characters, you don't run the risk of "everything agroing you" but still deal damage to all targets in a 20* cone, which can be very useful
double tap is useless...... by and far.... useless..... kipup shot and rollshot have higher dps until you are master pistoleer which, by then, you will have a lot of higher dps attacks anyway (fanshot being one of them)
MCPrimetime
Sun May 09, 2004 1:57 pm
#3
My old PvP post may help:
PvP Pistoleers
But unfortunately all you can do is hope that whatever else you spent skill points on will help you out (applying states, mind damage, healing states, etc).
XwingRogue3
Sun May 09, 2004 4:06 pm
#4
1) We can't hit the mind pool all the time with an attack. BHs can so that isnt an issue for Bh/pistoleers however the rest of us are left in the cold against such things as the Rifleman.
2)Rifleman (again) have jawa ion rifles which do stun damage. The big deal is that they are (AP 1) which means they cut through our stun composite pretty fast, and our geos and tangles really cant to a damn thing about it.
Yes it would be nice to target there mind pool but I don't think that they will ever alow pistols to do that. Our biggest disadvantage is our DPS in PvP. Being that we have the lowest damage compared to other combat classes is what hurts us. A person with 2300 HAM is going to naturally be taken out first by someone dealing out 800+ hits random or not as compared to 200+ hits by pistoleers.
3) Our most useful specials really aren't that broken (body shot 3 is NOT broken) but really arent as strong as they need to be. Case and point: Body shot 3, while not broken, does less damage per hit than health shot 2! Often times we have to take up other combat classes to just fair decently in pvp.
I think most pistoleers would disagree with you here. The difference in HAM costs from bodyshot 2 to bodyshot 3 are not reflected correctly in there damage output. Case in point is that we can have equal and sometimes greater hits from bodyshot 2 than bodyshot 3. Also look at pistolmelee2, multitargetshot, stoppingshot, and double tap.
5) I just realized we don't really have any state changing attacks. No dizzy/kds, no stun, nothing useful I can think of off the top of my head, anyone?
Actually your sig says you're master smuggler, so you have lastditch (stun), panicshot (AOE delay) and lowblow (ranged KD though most of the time it doesn't land)
My personal PvP shots I find effective are fanshot, healthshot2, lastditch, panicshot and lowblow. The key is knowing when to use each shot for both single PvP and group PvP. These are just my observations as a fellow Master Pistoleer and smuggler. See you all on the battlefield. We recognize the pistoleers because they are constantly running in battle. lol
2)Rifleman (again) have jawa ion rifles which do stun damage. The big deal is that they are (AP 1) which means they cut through our stun composite pretty fast, and our geos and tangles really cant to a damn thing about it.
Yes it would be nice to target there mind pool but I don't think that they will ever alow pistols to do that. Our biggest disadvantage is our DPS in PvP. Being that we have the lowest damage compared to other combat classes is what hurts us. A person with 2300 HAM is going to naturally be taken out first by someone dealing out 800+ hits random or not as compared to 200+ hits by pistoleers.
3) Our most useful specials really aren't that broken (body shot 3 is NOT broken) but really arent as strong as they need to be. Case and point: Body shot 3, while not broken, does less damage per hit than health shot 2! Often times we have to take up other combat classes to just fair decently in pvp.
I think most pistoleers would disagree with you here. The difference in HAM costs from bodyshot 2 to bodyshot 3 are not reflected correctly in there damage output. Case in point is that we can have equal and sometimes greater hits from bodyshot 2 than bodyshot 3. Also look at pistolmelee2, multitargetshot, stoppingshot, and double tap.
5) I just realized we don't really have any state changing attacks. No dizzy/kds, no stun, nothing useful I can think of off the top of my head, anyone?
Actually your sig says you're master smuggler, so you have lastditch (stun), panicshot (AOE delay) and lowblow (ranged KD though most of the time it doesn't land)
My personal PvP shots I find effective are fanshot, healthshot2, lastditch, panicshot and lowblow. The key is knowing when to use each shot for both single PvP and group PvP. These are just my observations as a fellow Master Pistoleer and smuggler. See you all on the battlefield. We recognize the pistoleers because they are constantly running in battle. lol
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