Pistoleer Archive
Thread: New PISTOL ( sign if u like it )
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acmtalk
Wed Jul 14, 2004 9:11 pm
#1
Ok its rediculos how they do damage and we dont... one way to fix it would be by adding a new pistol here is my Idea....
Min: 350
Max: 600
speed: 2.5
wounds: 45%
damage type: Cold
Heavy armor piercing
we are suppost to have a speed advantage but any master rifleman can shot really fast with alot of accuracy and do alot more damage......
Norle
Wed Jul 14, 2004 9:14 pm
#2
Unless this pistol is incredibly hard to obtain, I don't think we'll be getting this, unfortunately.Maybe the combat revamp will allow us to stand a chance in PvP...
Ochree
Xytroncore
Wed Jul 14, 2004 9:16 pm
#3
LOL
sorry, heavy AP? 2.5 speed? lmao.
Like it? Yes. Want it? No. That's just rediculous, we're supposed to be light fighters but do quick damage, not heavy fighters doing fast damage (don't let riflemen fool you, they're getting nerfed in publish 11).After the CB take a look at the DE10 pistol, good ones are over 350 max damage unsliced, after the CB it'll rule. We don't need anything but specials fixed right now, no new weapons, nothing. We have a lot to look forward to in the CB and dual weild after that.
Ryngs
Wed Jul 14, 2004 11:30 pm
#4
screw it make the speed 4.5 it doesnt matter. with capped speed it will still attck every tick hehe.
korvass
Thu Jul 15, 2004 6:13 am
#5
I would leave the AP at light. There's no reasonable explanation I can think of for a heavy AP pistol. There are reasons that RL pistols cannot go through tanks 
DE-10 can push out the damage you're wanting though if crafted and sliced appropriately.
acmtalk
Thu Jul 15, 2004 6:24 am
#6
Like it? Yes. Want it? No. That's just rediculous, we're supposed to be light fighters but do quick damage, not heavy fighters doing fast damage.......................
Ok right but the thing is a rifleman with a heavy armor piercing rifle can shot as fast that we can and can do alot of damage in our mind.. I think afeter the revamp they will styll stronger than us.... OH btw .. DE10 pistol has no armor piercing , so with armor + psg its uselles in pvp as we are uselles in pvp......
trajen2
Thu Jul 15, 2004 6:38 am
#7
korvass wrote:
I would leave the AP at light. There's no reasonable explanation I can think of for a heavy AP pistol. There are reasons that RL pistols cannot go through tanks
DE-10 can push out the damage you're wanting though if crafted and sliced appropriately.
I agree....I see no problem with high damage pistols but heavy AP? No. I've accepted the fact that as a pistoleer, I will not solo a krayt or any otehr high HAM / High resist creature. As for PvP, i've said it many times before, if pistoleers would just accept their limitations and fight AS A GROUP, we would do great. . .imagine 3-4 pistoleer spamming fan shot into a crown with their DE-10s or Geos. . .
Inat
RBN
trajen2
Thu Jul 15, 2004 6:39 am
#8
korvass wrote:
I would leave the AP at light. There's no reasonable explanation I can think of for a heavy AP pistol. There are reasons that RL pistols cannot go through tanks
DE-10 can push out the damage you're wanting though if crafted and sliced appropriately.
I agree....I see no problem with high damage pistols but heavy AP? No. I've accepted the fact that as a pistoleer, I will not solo a krayt or any otehr high HAM / High resist creature. As for PvP, i've said it many times before, if pistoleers would just accept their limitations and fight AS A GROUP, we would do great. . .imagine 3-4 pistoleer spamming fan shot into a crowd with their DE-10s or Geos. . .
Inat
RBN
Jordan_Doffa
Thu Jul 15, 2004 8:18 am
#9
acmtalk wrote:
Like it? Yes. Want it? No. That's just rediculous, we're supposed to be light fighters but do quick damage, not heavy fighters doing fast damage.......................
Ok right but the thing is a rifleman with a heavy armor piercing rifle can shot as fast that we can and can do alot of damage in our mind.. I think afeter the revamp they will styll stronger than us.... OH btw .. DE10 pistol has no armor piercing , so with armor + psg its uselles in pvp as we are uselles in pvp......
I have to agree with acm here. There's a reason why pistols are so fast, and that is because they are quite weak. Again, it's becoming cliche now but...I think we all just need to "wait for the combat rebalance"
korvass
Thu Jul 15, 2004 8:53 am
#10
To be honest, other combat profs are way over-powered, that's why pistoleers seem weak. It's not, it's a great profession, especially when mixed with something like Smuggler. Riflemen need a huge nerf in my opinion. Even T21s should have medium AP at best. I also believe that put rifles should be sliceable/craftable down to a max of 2 secs. Not many people can hit accurately, at range, with a rifle in that sort of time. Their sniping specials should take much more time too. I personally feel that Pistoleer is about right for feel, and realism, and power. I think it's other combat profs that need to be toned down a little - specifically Riflemen.
In order to enjoy it you have to accept the limitations. To me, Pistoleer is (or should be) the Fencer of the ranged combat profs - fast, agile, mobile. But for that you have to sacrifice damage. In RL pistols cannot project their ammunition fast enough in order to cause damage and penetration (speed equals more kinetic force). In the sci-fi Star Wars sense, pistols simply cannot carry a heavy enough charge and do not have the technical ability to discharge bolts that cause similar damage to a rifle.
And soloing Krayts will hopefully no longer be possible after the revamp, it's stupid to be able to go head-to-head against such a creature.
Jordan_Doffa
Thu Jul 15, 2004 9:25 am
#11
Not sure where I read this, but somehow, someone did a bunch of testing. It basically proved that Rifleman has quite an upperhand in just about every area. Judging a Master Pistoleer, and Master Rifleman showed that rifleman will do something around 500% DPS. Which just doesn't seem right...also, they can target an unhealable pool. I'm not complaining, because Pistoleer used to be a viable profession. Before health buffs, energy resistant armor, and everything else...
Just a little sad to see we are so weak, in contrast to the rest of the game.
RazaelDemron
Thu Jul 15, 2004 9:55 am
#12
Jordan_Doffa wrote:
acmtalk wrote:
Like it? Yes. Want it? No. That's just rediculous, we're supposed to be light fighters but do quick damage, not heavy fighters doing fast damage.......................
Ok right but the thing is a rifleman with a heavy armor piercing rifle can shot as fast that we can and can do alot of damage in our mind.. I think afeter the revamp they will styll stronger than us.... OH btw .. DE10 pistol has no armor piercing , so with armor + psg its uselles in pvp as we are uselles in pvp......
I have to agree with acm here. There's a reason why pistols are so fast, and that is because they are quite weak. Again, it's becoming cliche now but...I think we all just need to "wait for the combat rebalance"
Don't forget Pistoleer also has the best defense of all ranged professions. Being able to dish outapproximately equal damage while recieving less would be unbalancing in the pistoleers favor. If/when defense stacking is eliminated across the board it will show better. I personally like the view of the pistol as the personal defense weapon. I just think we should have lower damage output but higher defense...
BloodMonk
Thu Jul 15, 2004 10:25 am
#13
I'd love to see an AP2 pistol which does electrical damage, max damage appr.170 for best possible craft with speed around 3s
BUT IT WON'T HAPPEN lol
Sly
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