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Thread: question about some very good PISTOLS, which one should i adk?

Yukiko
Sat Jun 04, 2005 4:53 am
#1


i my FWG5 pistol has great 339 BASE DPS
thats really good, dont find any better or same again on my server


but rotw (avatar platform) has some nice looted pistols too, they have 330 BASE DPS but ACID, electricty or kinetic damage


my question is what you think is better?

a 339 energy pistol (with +10 accuracy!!!!!!!!!!!)
or those 330 kinetic,acid,electricty pistols (no accuracy bonus)


max damage on my fwg5 is higher too (8xx)
and the looted are 7xx



which one should i ADK, thast my question
the fwg5 was cheap but dont find it again in that quality so worth adk maybe too

or better adk a weapon that does elecitriicty or acid damage?
do you think electricty or acid is superior on PVE and PVP or do you think usually most creatures are less resistant to energy than to acid or electricity???

http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=247573&poll_id=0&warned=y


http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=247710&poll_id=0&warned=y


dont have a picture to my weapon but its 339 BASE DPS and +10 accuracy !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



all stats are BASE DPS, do you think i should dont biother because of this 9 points more basedps of fwg5 (and dont bother because of +10 accuracy???) and better adk the loot weapons?





btw my fwg5 has 105 special attack cost the looted ones just 75 special attack costs
that would be a reason to go with looted??? but less max damaage and about 10 points less BASE DPS
and what is worst.....no +10 accuracy bonus

Message Edited by Yukiko on 06-04-2005 04:56 AM

BadgerSmaker
Sat Jun 04, 2005 4:56 am
#2

I would ADK the FWG5 until you can get a better one crafted. Then you can destroy it and get the kit back for your new one.



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Yukiko
Sat Jun 04, 2005 5:00 am
#3

thanks but fwg has 105 action cost, looted just 75 action cost



and fwg is ENERGY


looted is kinetic+ACID, the other one is electricity



you sure energy is better than acid+electricity on PVE and PVP?
BadgerSmaker
Sat Jun 04, 2005 5:17 am
#4

Well, dont ADK any of them, get some Gorax Shards and Krayt tissues together and get a better FWG5, DX2 or Republic Blaster.



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Yukiko
Sat Jun 04, 2005 5:25 am
#5

better than 339 base dps, cant be



its base not modified dps, im still working on template guess its easily 580 or 600+ modified dps at the end, so how can a pistol be better than that? im asking because i find on my server no better pistols atm


BadgerSmaker
Sat Jun 04, 2005 6:21 am
#6


You are basing the quality of your guns on base DPS. To find out how good a gun is, first look at:



  • Maximum Damage

  • Special Action Costs

  • Speed

In that order. A damage cappedFWG5 with 936 max damage with SAC under 85 and speed under 2 seconds would be a good gun.




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Yukiko
Sat Jun 04, 2005 6:33 am
#7

tthanks for that information, well considering this i could place an adk on my fwg5 until i find a better one,d elete it and use adk again




or considering this action cost is more important than +10 more accuracy and max damage???


the drop guns have not that high max damage but very low action cost, however fwg5 ois faster, more damage , accurcay bonus, im lost^^


DaSh22
Sat Jun 04, 2005 7:36 am
#8


Firstly do notuse the 'DPS stat' you see on the weapon togauge your DPS. It is useless to use that to decide on actual DPS and here is why.


Even using 'ranged shot' which is the lowest damaging none cone attack (there are others), your DPS will be much higher. All modifiers are based on the max damage of weapon. i.e max damage = 900, range shot will hit for 900 (not taking into account mitigation of opponent). However the 'DPS stats' you see on your weapon are based on the average of minimum and maximum damage values. Calculation is [(min dmg + max dmg)/2+elemental dmg]/weapon speed.


Also elemental damage is broken at the moment and who knows when - if ever - they will get round to fixing this. This also effects the 'DPS stat' you see on your weapon as you can see from the calculation used.


The only stats to use are


1) maximum damage - all modifiers use this


2) minimum damage - if you use damage pups then this is the stat used when calculating the addition to the weapons maximum damage. i.e. if a weapon is min dmg500 and max dmg 1000 (I know it is over cap)and you use a 25% dmg pup. The pupd max dmg will now be 1125 [(25% of 500)=125 + 1000].


3) the SAC - which has a noticeable difference on action depletion


4) speed


5) accuracy - not sure whether this is working but lets presume it is


Ignore any other stats you see, they are misleading.



Yes, consider DPS butyou needto work this out for yourself. I repeat, both 'DPS stats' you see are BS.




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Yukiko
Sat Jun 04, 2005 7:45 am
#9

yay just found a uber krayt pistol


dl44xt krayted

base dps 360
base speed 1.8
+10 accuracy bonus
113 special cost
unsliced

337-948 damage


so good, will put adk here _:=
Darth-Kevlar
Sat Jun 04, 2005 10:10 am
#10


very weird that you ask for advise, you get answer even from the pistoleer correspondent, saying " look at max damage, look at sac... dps is not the important thing"....then you get a high dps, high sac pistol.


The lack of hability that most people have to understand simple ideas, or to take a little time researching information never stops to amaze me. and thats hard in my line of work, since being a teacher I see exemples of that everyday.


just wierd that in thesociety of information, dis-informationis unleashed .


Message Edited by Darth-Kevlar on 06-04-2005 06:15 PM



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Wimpanzee
Sat Jun 04, 2005 11:10 am
#11

i got flamed in a trade forums thread for even asking what the sac was on some 'uber scatters' . they never would answer me.

SAC is arguably the most important stat. all the max damage and dps on your server means absolutly 0 if you are -Too Tired- to shoot it more than two or three times in a row.

I prioritze my guns by:
SAC
Max Damage
Speed

Slower guns like rifles and such can have a slightly higher SAC than pistols or carbines because you tend to fire them a bit slower, giving action more time to regen. Not that much tho. My best scatter is an atrocious 105 SAC. I drop that to 80 with a pup.

My trandshan supressor pistol (only 30m range) has a lower min/max damage, but get +120 elec damage (basically add +120 to min and max for the 'real' dmg numbers) and has a SAC of only 75 (57 with pup) I can spam specials all day with that thing. Now, if elemental damage would just work right...




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Sakir
Sat Jun 04, 2005 1:26 pm
#12


Kill a few Gorax and get some decent shards. Find a good weaponsmith who's willing to make some pistols and enjoy

SAC and max damage are most important to me. Used 157max and 139max shards to get 7 pistols made experimenting only on damage and SAC.

Came out pretty nice I think



Pistol 1


Pistol 2


Pistol 3


Probably get one sliced and ADK it depending on how it comes out.



Bleh, fixed the links

Message Edited by Sakir on 06-04-2005 03:30 PM

Message Edited by Sakir on 06-04-2005 03:31 PM



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GhostInAShell
Sat Jun 04, 2005 2:00 pm
#13






Yukiko wrote:

yay just found a uber krayt pistol


dl44xt krayted

base dps 360
base speed 1.8
+10 accuracy bonus
113 special cost
unsliced

337-948 damage


so good, will put adk here _:=





No, that gun is crap. Well, maybe crap is too strong a word, but not by much. I hope you didn't pay a lot of money for a gun like that, because the SAC is out of this world. That's not even grinding pistol quality, IMO.


Never, ever, EVER buy a pistol above 90 SAC unless you want to waste your PUP slot on a stock.


See those pistols that the previous poster put on display? Those are SWEET! They are, dare I say, uber-sweet. Espescially the first and the third ones. I would punch my mother in the face for one of those guns. If I bought the gun you are describing, however, I'd punch MYSELF in the face....repeatedly....with knucklers on.

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