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Thread: BH 0004 vrs 0040?

KaiRan
Thu Sep 08, 2005 9:53 am
#1




I've been a M Smuggler | M Pistoleer | BH 0004 since the CU went live, and have enjoyed the benefits of Torso Shot and blinding my PvE opponents all day, but as I have started to take on larger prey, Torso Shot's Concussion-breaking bleed has forced me to remove it from my regular patterns. The result has been a question of the validity of atemplate that includes BH 0004vrs 0040 or even 0400.


I'm sure the mere 0.1 damage multiplier and bleed Improved Torso Shot has over Improved Body Shot was what originally attracted me to 0004, and the hope that Low Blow would someday become a KD again, but with the lack of a ranged KD and the loss of a ready "get out of trouble" button (Concussion Shot), I'm now double checking my decision.







BH 0004 Pros:


  1. Imp Torso Shot's 10% better damage multiplier plus bleed DOT may be small, but does add up when compared to Imp Body Shot.

  2. Blind has a far greater reduction in the target's Accuracy, decreasing incoming damage considerably.

  3. Gen Ranged Accuracy= +180, General Ranged Speed = +60, Ranged Defense = +180

BH 0004 Cons:



  1. Imp Torso Shot's Bleed breaks Concussion Shot's Root/Paralysis

  2. No Stun means no Action Regen debuff in PvP

  3. Melee Defense = +145

  4. 5m range KD only




BH 0040 Pros:



  1. Ranged KD allows for kiting even when target is resistant to Roots/Snares.

  2. Imp Confusion Shot applies both Stun and Dizzy, reducing Defenses and Accuracy as well as potentially stopping Action/mind regen- resulting in less specials from PvP targets.

  3. No tempting bleed attack means Concussion Shot is available to get away from a potentially deadly situation.

  4. Melee Defense = +170

BH 0040 Cons:



  1. Ranged KD did not stick very often immediately after CU- has this changed?

  2. Dizzy effects Accuracy at a much smaller amount than Blind, and therefore I will take more damage from the target than if I were to use Blind.

  3. PvE targets do not seem to use Action for specials, and therefore Stun has little or no meaning for PvE combat, my primary game experience.

  4. No Torso Shot means I must rely only on Imp. Body Shot for my high damage attacks, with no other high-damage attack available.

  5. Gen Ranged Accuracy= +167, General Ranged Speed = +59, Ranged Defense = +156






BH 0400 Pros:



  1. Improved Critical Shot offers damage comprable to that of Improved Torso or Improved Body Shot, plus the added bonus of an occasional 20% damage increase from a Critical Hit, without the loss-of-root downside of a bleed. (Though unsure if it shares timer with Imp. Body Shot?? )

  2. Improved Sprayshot offers slight increase over Improvd Fanshot, and possibly second AOE Cone on seperate timer??

  3. General Ranged Speed = +66, Melee Defense = +165

BH 0400 Cons:



  1. Complete loss of BH gained Def/Acc debuffs (though still have Warning/Burst shot debuffs- unsure if they would stack)

  2. Fully redundant special in the case of Sprayshot

  3. No Stun means no Action Regen debuff in PvP

  4. General Ranged Acc = +163, Ranged Defense = +154






The questions I have not yet answered are if Acc/Def Debuffs from various specials (like combining Confusion and Burst shot) are stacking, and what the *actual* Accuracy debuff from Blind is. I suspect Blind/Warning combos would still work better than Confusion/Burst, but the matter of a ranged KD is still tempting.


Can anyone fill in these blanks? Or add Pros/Cons to these lists? I simply donthave a clear enough picture of the PvP angle here, and as Starsider has simply seen a huge exodus of PvPers, I may start dabbling in PvP more, now that have a better chance.


Message Edited by KaiRan on 09-08-2005 12:57 PM



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ScottyK
Thu Sep 08, 2005 3:51 pm
#2

i can only give a PvE two-cents, but here it is:


The BH 00X0 KD is very nice. It always sticks for me. I recently dropped down to 0020 (so lost Improved version) and it still sticks every time (I eventually have to drop all of BH to accomodate my padawan desires).


I've only ever had the low-level version of Confusion Shot, but I have to say it does not stick often. But it is nice having two debuffs in one shot, since if one does not stick the other sometimes will. Also, shooting it twice will sometimes make it stick. I also have to say, having a stun option that is not AoE is very nice.


The cooldown on Improved Body Shot does not seem that long too me, so relying on just Improved Body Shot for your high damage dealer is not that bad. I think most alternate btw Quickdraw and Body Shot, and I find no down time using just these two (except when my action runs out )






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KaiRan
Fri Sep 09, 2005 8:07 am
#3


Still have a token respec... I think(the box dissapeared w/o using it?!)... and am nearly capped w/ Pistol XP I havent converted, so I'll likely ask a friend or 3 to duel me over the weekend in my current template, then as 0031, 0040, and 0400 (using respec).


Worse case scenario I'll really feel the Ranged Accuracy and Defense skill mod drop, and will have to use my LD-1 to get back to 0004. [sarcasim] Oh the horror! [/sarcasim]





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