Pistoleer Archive
Thread: how to beat melee stackers/riflemen?
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Sesfan
Mon Sep 20, 2004 3:43 pm
#1
I am a pistoleer 4344, Smuggler Pistols 4, Bounty Pistols 4, and novice medic. With this template, I find that I can win just about any duel (I know that having novice medic instead of master pistoleer/novice commando is controversial, but I've found that the ability to heal is more worthwhile than extra dodge and accuracy and I don't have a DE 10). I can beat fencers, tkm, doctors, other pistoleers, you name it. The only people I have a hard time beating are some riflemen and melee stackers who constantly use Intimidate II. If a melee stacker uses Intimidate II, plus stun armor, plus a psg on me, I find myself doing almost no damage, and the only way to win is to use DOTS. I don't like using DOTS, they feel cheap to me......what I want to know is a good way to beat Intimidate II. Also, I can beat many riflemen, but some very good ones can beat me easily. I'd like advice on how to beat them as well. Thanks all!
Rebel_elite
Mon Sep 20, 2004 7:14 pm
#2
Just a quick comment on your templete, I know that medic is EXTREMELY useful.. but there is one way around it...
Never go pvping solo, always have someone with you that has a developed medic tree... not master or anything.. but maybe... 3230 or just even 2200... you can get some nice B stims..
The point isthat the primal combat skills are going to be more useful to you.. Just to let you know, I've been on both sides of the coin, both w/medic and without.
This sounds like a crazy idea, with the lack of defense your templete offers..... but it works..
And now the answer to your real question..
Rifleman are beaten by blinding them (eyeshot), and (even if you don't like it) torso shot. With a de-10, or even a good scatter, they are toast, every time. With stackers.. fight fire, with fire. The way to beat really all of melee professions is to intimidate then yourselves. Then, use the terrain around you to your advantage. Grant it, if your fighting in theed, its difficult to use your scout skills (but there is that big drop off behind the starport). You can also use the AI to aide you. Food is a big key here.
Keep in mind that the longer that a fight with a stacker lasts.. the more likely they are to win
"I don't like using DOTS, they feel cheap to me......" Everyone else uses cheap tactics on their already functioning professions.....
Remis Galisger
Professional Gunslinger
Forget DPS
Forget Mitigation
Forget defenses
"eyeshot+de-10 = sick".. all the math you need to know"
Sesfan
Mon Sep 20, 2004 7:39 pm
#3
Ahh, thanks for the tips! Yes, if I did pvp exclusively, I would definitely drop medic. I never heal myself in regular pvp. But I don't really pvp that much anymore, I got extremely sick of being ganked by Jedi....I tend to focus exclusively on dueling now. And medic is definitely essential in a duel, I've found. That is also probably the reason I've been losing to riflemen, then, because I don't use Torso Shot in friendly duels. I try not to give permanent damage in duels, but since I'm holding back like that I guess I lose. I will change my tactics. And you are right, using DOT weapons is just good tactics, I will try them against melee stackers. Thanks again.
Master_Pistoleer
Tue Sep 21, 2004 7:12 am
#4
yea i dont have medic and really the only time i lose is when they get a lucky dizzy/kd in, and i can pve almost anything possible to solo cept krayts.
Altairrr
Wed Sep 22, 2004 9:27 am
#5
Againt melee stackers: Intim+stun pretty much makes their COB and defenses useless and lowers their damage significantly, so keep these states on them at all times. I suggestusing Panicshot/Warcryevery minute or two while spamming Intimidation during their pause.Spamming SupressionFire1a few timesis a good way to keep them kited. I would suggest LastDitch + some Torsoshots if you notice they can't heal. Eyeshot if they have good stims. Use the terrain around if you find they don't have scout. Kipupshot will stand you up if you have been dizzy/kneeled. Eat Thakitillo (Def vs KD) and Synthsteak (I probably spelled those wrong). Keep two PSG's handy and wear your stun armor.
Against rifleman: Keep them Intim+stun+blind. Again, use PanicShot/Warcry to spam Intimidate. Stay very close to them so they have badaccuracy modifiers. Use LowBlow every now and then and Supressionfire1 if they try to get distance from you. Eat Synthsteak and doge food (Pikatta?). Wear your stun armor and PSG's. LastDitch/Torso or Eyeshot depending on their medic and buffs. Make sure to have plenty of mind food handy (Brandy, Blue Milk, Canape, Ahrisa, Muon) just in case.
These methods help me out a lot.
BloodMonk
Thu Sep 23, 2004 11:15 am
#6
yup, intimidate is the key to beat em...
for riflemen: intimidate + blind = dead MRM
I also hope you have a nice Scatter (400+ max damage) as it will outdamage you geo pretty harsh against anyone with psgs and 30%+ stun armor.
I don't have BH but am speedcapped, and use a 328 max damage DX2
as far as I know kipupshot is a posture up attack and has no effect on yourself.
Sly
Beakr
Thu Sep 23, 2004 9:38 pm
#7
Aircake is the +40 dodge food (33 fill I think) and kickupshot is not a posture change. It is our personal shot that with a good pistol does a WHOPPING 500 damage
(if that) but it DOES at least stand us up if we have been forced down from dizzy or posture change. Just my two cents 
(if that) but it DOES at least stand us up if we have been forced down from dizzy or posture change. Just my two cents
BaalVapula
Fri Sep 24, 2004 1:58 am
#8
With a stick....A big one with Mind Fire, Poi and Dis. Also helps if they are AFK...
Jeterb
Fri Sep 24, 2004 12:53 pm
#10
I used to shoot geoblasters in PvP but I have gone over to a Krayt Scatter since PSGs and Stun armor have become so good on my server. (45%/40%). Intimidate them, blind them etc. Still extremely difficult do beat melee stackers though..
We really need the revamp soon.
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