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Thread: Krayt DE-10 vs Krayt Scatter
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Rockhurst
Wed Sep 08, 2004 9:31 am
#1
I'm currently a MBH + Pistoleer (only Grips 4 away from Master). One of my guildmates recently crafted me a DE-10 using +45 tissues and a yellow barrel. Though the gun didn't get the amazing damage slice we'd hoped for (putting it in the 500-600 range), the gun is still in the 160-460 range (I'm at work so I don't have exact numbers) and they said it would likely sell for $2-3M (though I'm not looking to sell). Now, let's compare the DE-10 againstwith my pre-nerf scatter (only been used a handful of times and is in good condition). I know there are few of these scatters left, but I've seen post-nerf scatters that are comparable or better. Granted, both of these weapons can be concidered "above average".
Again, the damage numbers and HAM costs are not exact, but they are close and the differences between the weapons are very close to actuals. I'll update this once I have the exact numbers, but even as it stands I think it makes the point. Also, I don't frequent the Pistoleer forum as often as BH, so forgive me if this has been covered before.
DE-10 Scatter
Min dmg 165 160 <- Push
Max dmg 465 460 <- Push
Speed5.0 1.5 <- Push (both should shoot at the 1.0cap)
Wound37% 30% <- Close, but I'll give advantage DE-10
Dmg Type EnergyAcid <- Advantage Scatter (Push when applied to Jedi)
HAM Costs 30-56-30 15-27-15 <- Advantage Scatter (Hugeonce buffs and HAMare "revamped")
So, why all the hype for DE-10's? Granted, once you break into the 500-600 dmg range the DE-10 definitely pays off, but until then I'm just trying to understand why people are paying 2-3M for a gun that does the most common damage type in the game. Unless armor and weapons are revamped and Energy becomes a rare, powerful attack. Though it's great thatPistoleers get a Master level weapon (which looks significantly cooler than the scatter, but coolness doesn't affect Saber Block),it just seems to me that the DE-10 is rather underpowered. Thoughts?
Adifi
Wed Sep 08, 2004 9:36 am
#2
Underpowered but rare ! 
Well more rare than a scatter anyway. And better than any other energy based pistol
Well more rare than a scatter anyway. And better than any other energy based pistol
BrekCoronus
Wed Sep 08, 2004 9:45 am
#3
Because it looks like a Colt Peacemaker.
Heck, the Republic Blaster looks like a beer bottle with a stick glued to its side. It doesn't take much to improve on that.
RexJarka
Wed Sep 08, 2004 1:34 pm
#4
I'd have to disagree with that one (Did you get that figure from somewhere? If you did, please let me know, I'd love to see those statistics.) Many Pistoleers are also Master Smugglers, and to that end, cannot even take BH if they wanted to. Ipseck has a point. For Pistoleer/Smugglers, De-10's are the way to go. You make some valid points, but as Pistoleers and Smugglers are very broken.. we'll take anything we can get.
Rockhurst wrote:
Ipseck wrote:
because pistoleers can't use scatters. <- Almost 9 out of 10 pistoleers pick up BH for the pistol tree...so, yes, many pistoleers can use scatters.
Rockhurst
Wed Sep 08, 2004 2:04 pm
#5
RexJarka wrote:
I'd have to disagree with that one (Did you get that figure from somewhere? If you did, please let me know, I'd love to see those statistics.) Many Pistoleers are also Master Smugglers, and to that end, cannot even take BH if they wanted to. Ipseck has a point. For Pistoleer/Smugglers, De-10's are the way to go. You make some valid points, but as Pistoleers and Smugglers are very broken.. we'll take anything we can get.
Rockhurst wrote:
Ipseck wrote:
because pistoleers can't use scatters. <- Almost 9 out of 10 pistoleers pick up BH for the pistol tree...so, yes, many pistoleers can use scatters.
I certainly don't have any sort of statistics for that...just making a point that many pistoleers pick up BH pistol for that reason and I don't know any pistoleers on my server that don't have at least some BH Pistol. But, you are correct and many Master Pistols also take Smuggler. When anyone asks for pistol template advice, BH pistol is regularly advised as the path to take (due to the accuracy and Master Marksman bonuses). If you're talking about a pistol only template, you can do M Pistol + BH pistol + Smuggler Pistol.
At any rate, the point of thiswas for all of those that can use both (a significant portion of the Pistoleer community), why DE-10's?
BlackJango
Wed Sep 08, 2004 3:46 pm
#6
well, those are impresive stats, bet you will love dual weild with those 2 hot mammas? 
Im getting my third de-10 made and this time im gona do it right. gettin' some 112+ tissues, looted schematic and yellow barrel myself, so, if i get a dmg slice like my last one (31%!! BAY-UM!) im looking at one sweet ass pistol. Like someone said, a de-10 with 600+ dmg is worth it over a scatter.
You said that scatter only takes one?
Maybe ill get 3 scatters made vs. one de-10. 
Jeterb
Wed Sep 08, 2004 11:59 pm
#7
Are both guns armor piercing (ap1) or only the DE-10 or am I just mixing things up?
Ipseck
Thu Sep 09, 2004 12:22 am
#8
because pistoleers can't use scatters.
because DE-10s can be made now, not 6 months ago.
because pistoleers can't use scatters.
because you don't need 100 dmg tissues and an ungodly damage slice to get a high damage de-10.
Because the de-10 has the potential to have 2-4x the damage output of a dx-2, negating the 'most resisted' argument.
because the de-10 looks cool
because no other weapon gets a mystery component (barels)
oh ya... Did I mention that pistoleers can't use scatter pistols?
because DE-10s can be made now, not 6 months ago.
because pistoleers can't use scatters.
because you don't need 100 dmg tissues and an ungodly damage slice to get a high damage de-10.
Because the de-10 has the potential to have 2-4x the damage output of a dx-2, negating the 'most resisted' argument.
because the de-10 looks cool
because no other weapon gets a mystery component (barels)
oh ya... Did I mention that pistoleers can't use scatter pistols?
Message Edited by Ipseck on 09-08-2004 12:26 PM
Rockhurst
Thu Sep 09, 2004 12:34 am
#9
Ipseck wrote:
because pistoleers can't use scatters. <- Almost 9 out of 10 pistoleers pick up BH for the pistol tree...so, yes, many pistoleers can use scatters.
because DE-10s can be made now, not 6 months ago. <- The results would be very similar with a well made post-nerf scatter. Go check out some of the better weaponsmith's on your server.
because pistoleers can't use scatters. <- Don't need to repeat it twice
because you don't need 100 dmg tissues and an ungodly damage slice to get a high damage de-10. <- I have another scatter made this weekwith damage not far behind my pre-nerf with only +45 tissues.
Because the de-10 has the potential to have 2-4x the damage output of a dx-2, negating the 'most resisted' argument.
because the de-10 looks cool
because no other weapon gets a mystery component (barels)
oh ya... Did I mention that pistoleers can't use scatter pistols?
Zandergeef
Thu Sep 09, 2004 12:36 am
#10
Ignoring speedand looking just at max damage. A DE-10's max damage is about 260 and a scatters max damage is 150. This is unkrayted using good resources.. That is why the DE-10 is better. Also ya scatters are BH required which means I cant use them.
case for scatter:
Given that a DE-10 is slow maybe even for a master pistoleer and a scatter is faster might change things a little. Also a scatter wants only 1 krayt tissue and a DE-10 wants two identical tissues meaning you need 3 for it gives scatter an edge. Also Acid damage vs energy gives it an advantage. So for enhanced weapons.. scatters are easier to modify but DE-10 will give more max damage.
ps. pre-nerf stuff is just better
La-grange
Thu Sep 09, 2004 2:19 am
#11
Lets take a different look at things.
Genosian blaster/DE-10 vs Armor+psg+40%melee toughness+synthesteak
or
Scatter/DX2 vs Armor+40% melee toughness+synthesteak
Dunno bout you but the acid based weapons look to be the way to go. of course in the end the result will be the same. The person you were fighting was a fencer with an acklay stun batonand you could only hit him 1 out of 5. By the time the next shot hits the damage has been completely regenerated. Not like that matters cause armor alone is so tough that it can reduce the damage of a 600 dmg laser rifle down to 90-120 (master head shot) points or a 400 max damage laser carbine down to the same amount (crippleshot).....
The short of it is that your are most likely to lose. A pure melee template has higher defense than a pure ranged temple (checked on a character builder). Pure melee doesn't really need ranged migitation as they already have a 40% toughness (rougly equal to ranged migitaiton2) but the pure ranged needs melee migitation. And while melee can COB day in and day out, Should ranged try that with tumbling (ranged equivalent of center of being) your going to find out really quick that you cant use specials.
DajonJamore
Thu Sep 09, 2004 8:53 am
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Rockhurst wrote:
because DE-10s can be made now, not 6 months ago. <- The results would be very similar with a well made post-nerf scatter. Go check out some of the better weaponsmith's on your server.
because you don't need 100 dmg tissues and an ungodly damage slice to get a high damage de-10. <- I have another scatter made this weekwith damage not far behind my pre-nerf with only +45 tissues.
Noway can a scatter be made with 45 dam tissues now and not be far behind that prenerf, I just made some with 70 tissues a high velocity barrel and got a 30-35% dam slice( forget exact) and was only 318 max damage, and i have the highest resources to ever spawn on bria for the most part. Advantage with makeing krayted scatters compared to de-10 is 1 tissue compares to 3 total for a de-10. You have alot better chance on getting a good damage slice on 3 scatters than 1 de-10.
Using 100 dam tissues a scatter unsliced would be around 250 ish, a de-10 around 360ish add a 30% dam slice..scatter 325 ...de-10 470 no comparision
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