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ImBroken

Tue Feb 10, 2004 10:30 pm

Seems atleast to me the last ditch is better, anyone else feel this way,if so/not explain. =)

So on to my questions, I have dirty fighting IV and pistol techniques IV, I am thinking about dropping the whole technique tree if last ditch is worh it(running low on skillpoints). Instead of tech tree I was thinking about going up the marksman tree for the accuracy mods, worth it?, i currently have the stances tree.

The only thing that is making me keep pistoleer is, #1 DX2 cert, #2 +pistol speed...i would say healthshot2, but i can use last ditch and quickly dispatch npcs/mobs.

Also I "can" drop my medic skills and smuggling skills(not dirty fighting) and master pistoleer, but would it be worth it.(also i am master CH if anyone is curious)

KaernLegorah

Tue Feb 10, 2004 10:53 pm

#2

Last Ditch is better than Fan Shot, but only if you have a high Pistol Speed mod and a fast pistol.

Let's say we have an FWG5 that does 47-200 damage at 1.8 speed, being used by a Master Gunfigher with Master Marksman (+79 Pistol Speed).

Fan Shot can be fired every 1.0 seconds, doing an average damage per second of 494.0

Last Ditch can be fired every 1.5 seconds, doing an average damage per second of 490.1

Fan Shot, here, is just barely out-doing Last Ditch. Realistically, we'd say they're even.

Let's look at the same player, with an FWG5 doing the same damage but at 1.7 speed instead of 1.8.

Fan Shot can be fired every 1.0 seconds, doing an average damage per second of 494.0

Last Ditch can be fired every 1.4 seconds, doing an average damage per second of518.9

Last Ditch has now certainly pulled ahead. Any increase to your Pistol Speed mod or decrease in your pistol's actual speed will make Last Ditch even more superior. The only ways to increase the Pistol Speed mod are using Skill Tapes or picking up Bounty Pistol Specialization skills. If you want a high-powered pistol (ie Republic Blaster) that has a speed of 1.8 (or less) then you're talking into the Krayt weapons.

So, Last Ditch can be superior, but I personally think it's a bit over-rated (unless you DO have a Krayt Republic Blaster with a crazy low speed then it's worth it).

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Kaern Legorah - Eclipse
Master Smuggler-Gunfighter-Wanderer

heathgt350

Wed Feb 11, 2004 4:10 am

#3

In your last example:

Fan Shot can be fired every 1.0 seconds, doing an average damage per second of 494.0

Last Ditch can be fired every 1.4 seconds, doing an average damage per second of518.9

Fan shot is still better than Last Ditch... Fan is doing 494 Dmg per second whereas LD is doing 370.6 per second

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hase2

Wed Feb 11, 2004 6:44 am

#4

Fan Shot can be fired every 1.0 seconds, doing an average damage per second of 494.0

Last Ditch can be fired every 1.4 seconds, doing an average damage per second of518.9

KnightHawk420

Wed Feb 11, 2004 5:11 pm

#5

Hmmmm guys... there is a Damage Modifier associated with both of those. and they are a bit different. Different enough to where last ditch is the most heavy duty damage pistol special in the game.

I can generally do around 2k in damage with last ditch..... I know your not seeing that kind of damage with fanshot.

Only if you get into situations where you can utilize the area effect fanshot has, does ANY DPS calculation work out to where fanshot is superior to last ditch.

1 v 1 targets last ditch is king.

Cheylin Mena - R.I.P.
Menon Mena - R.I.P.
Hunglo Bavmador - R.I.P.

KaernLegorah

Wed Feb 11, 2004 6:02 pm

#6

heathgt350 wrote:

In your last example:

Fan Shot can be fired every 1.0 seconds, doing an average damage per second of 494.0

Last Ditch can be fired every 1.4 seconds, doing an average damage per second of518.9

Fan shot is still better than Last Ditch... Fan is doing 494 Dmg per second whereas LD is doing 370.6 per second

No..... I was talking about average damage per second. The avd DPS of Last Ditch in my example is 518.9, where Fan Shot's is 494.0.

Let's look at a 7 second moment of combat:

Fan Shot will fire 7 times, doing an average damage of 494 per shot. That would be 3458 damage over the course of 7 seconds.

Last Ditch will fire 5 times, doing an average damage of 741 per shot. That would be 3705 damage over the course of 7 seconds.

Last Ditch is thusly superior. To find the avearage damage per second, you can then take the total damage done in 7 seconds and divide it by 7. For Fan Shot that give 3458/7 = 494. For Last Ditch that gives 3705/7 = 529. Now, I didn't do the original calculations in my first post, I used the DPS Calculator somebody posted on here, which accounts for the discrepency for the average damage per second with Last Ditch. In either case, though, Last Ditch is superior mathematically.

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Kaern Legorah - Eclipse
Master Smuggler-Gunfighter-Wanderer

KaernLegorah

Wed Feb 11, 2004 6:08 pm

#7

KnightHawk420 wrote:

Hmmmm guys... there is a Damage Modifier associated with both of those. and they are a bit different. Different enough to where last ditch is the most heavy duty damage pistol special in the game.

The Fan Shot damage mod is 4.0, and the Last Ditch damage mod is 6.0. The DPS, however, is also effected by the delay mod. Fan Shot's delay mod is 2.4, and Last Ditch's delay mod is 4.0. Due to Last Ditch having a higher delay mod than Fan Shot, Fan Shot does more damage per second if you either don't have a high Pistol Speed mod or have a slow pistol.

I can generally do around 2k in damage with last ditch..... I know your not seeing that kind of damage with fanshot.

I've hit for 2k with Fan Shot before, using my Republic Blaster. It's not even a Krayt gun, nor was my target knocked down. It's rare for me to hit for that much, but it's not impossible.

Only if you get into situations where you can utilize the area effect fanshot has, does ANY DPS calculation work out to where fanshot is superior to last ditch.

The number of targets you're firing at has nothing to do with a DPS calculation. You wouldn't take into account the damage done to EACH target when figuring out the DPS of Fan Shot. All of the DPS calcs I did above are for a SINGLE target, not multiple.

1 v 1 targets last ditch is king.

For a Master Gunfighter with Master Marksman (or some BH Pistols) and a Pistol with a speed of 1.7 (or less) then yes Last Ditch is better.

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Kaern Legorah - Eclipse
Master Smuggler-Gunfighter-Wanderer

KnightHawk420

Wed Feb 11, 2004 6:58 pm

#8

KaernLegorah wrote:

The number of targets you're firing at has nothing to do with a DPS calculation.

Entirely dependent on who's doing the calculating, and to what end.

But your right clearly you were not taking that into account as it was not the focus of your argument.

Cheylin Mena - R.I.P.
Menon Mena - R.I.P.
Hunglo Bavmador - R.I.P.

Kade_Deveron

Thu Feb 12, 2004 11:07 am

#9

Last Ditch is great for one on one combat. However, nothing can beat fanshot for groups. I can mow down an entire rebel mission spawn (high level, generals etc) in seconds, just spamming fan shot. Additionally, for creature lairs where the creatures heal the lair, you can spam the lair, the creatures all go to protect it, and they all die nice and neat

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Khade Deveron

Bzzzz

Thu Feb 12, 2004 11:30 am

#10

I use and love them both:

If I'm up against a single target, I use LastDitch all the way. It has a much higher average DPS.

For tightly packed groups (faction missions, pet-tanking or group missions), FanShot wins hands down. It applies moderate damage to the whole area.

-Zz (masters smug & gunfighter)

Dragon942

Thu Feb 12, 2004 11:49 am

#11

Both are useful. After I kd my target with lowblow, I can hit my target for over 5000 damage every second with a pre-nerf krayt fwg-5, with the average being about closer to 3500 dps. This is a lot of damage, and as mentioned, a 6.0 to 4.0 damage multiplier becomes a big damage difference at this level.

However, fanshot shoots everything. With some booster blue or some other buff to action I can solo the whole squill lair on Tatooine simply for the fact that I can shoot all of them at once

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