Pistoleer Archive
Thread: Will BH get Us a Revamp???
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Squidwalker
Wed Jul 07, 2004 5:28 pm
#1
I"m seeing more and more posts by BH asking and complaining about our profession and specials. Asking what they are supposed to do, because they don't see how the specials work, or asking why they are broken etc.
ROFL it really cracks me up, that some other profession like BH can come over here and be so surprised that another combat profession is broken, probably worse then BH in some eyes.
So maybe if enough BH come over here and start yelling, screaming and flaming the devs, we pistoleers will get our fixes finally. Don't reduce our requirments or anything, just fix us, and then put us in line for a revamp. Right after Ranger. 
Randonb
Wed Jul 07, 2004 6:29 pm
#2
Haha I hadn't thought about it that way. The new skill point requirements will result in more BHs coming over to the Pistoleer side of things. It is possible, I suppose. Development decisions try to prioritize the most amount of good for the least amount of resources (the resource in question is usually time), so more Pistoleers floating around could be good for that. It certainly won't hurt.
I don't want to say that unused professions never get love, because sometimes they do. Image Designers, Chefs, and Droid Engineers were all either uncommon or downright Super Rare. They all got revamps because they were in such great need.
"Where's our revamp?" You say. Well, our problems are much more complex because some of them stem from the combat system itself. Why we haven't gotten a half of a revamp I'm not sure. I think they had originally planned a more acceptable date for the Combat Balance, and it just got delayed a little bit over and over without really looking at the overall picture.
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MetallicaJunkie
Thu Jul 08, 2004 4:40 am
#4
On eclipse there were no ID's except hologrinder and there still aren't because their revamp isn't what they asked for. There were no chefs pre-patch and now there are hundreds, there still aren't any droid engineers because their revamp was done by interns.
As rare as these guys were, they needed something, then Jedi got theirs. Surely the combat balance was the most good in the least time, hence why it was posted to go in january-february of 2004, it's been delayed right up to september at the earliest.
The reduction on the skill point limit to BH can only mean the best or worst for pistoleer and his poor relation, carbineer. Best case scenario, all the BH's are seen in the forums and the extra talk makes the correspondents notice just as Randonb has and he passes that to TH who passes it to the devs who then go on to pencil us in for a revamp in early 2005. Worst case scenario the devs are made aware of BH's in the forums complaining about the pistoleer and carbineer skills they've just picked up and the devs response is "bloody BH. constantly **edit**ing whining. we just dropped his SP cost, ungrateful bastards" which puts us and carbineer back to the bottom of the list with BH, just like it's always been. lol
Truth is, just as the DE revamp wasn't what DE asked for, this skill points cost change isn't what BH asked for, they asked to be made worth the points, instead they got a points reduction, if anything I would class that as hate over love. They've been told, "yeah, sorry, you never worth 217 points but we thought we'd let you squirm for a year, see you next year to fix your **edit**" With the jedi done the devs are looking back to JTL and the legendary combat balance, in my opinion the pistoleer's desires for fixes should be silenced until after those as the des are blatantly taking the quickest way out of all problems until then. They already reduced the jedi mission payout 90% to prevent jedi/BH teams exploiting the mission terminal for insane money/xp instead of fixing the missions. Quick way out. Unless you guys want the devs to revamp pistoleer in three lines of code, I suggest we bide our time until the devs are less busy.
That's my two credits
Shadowhand1
Thu Jul 08, 2004 4:52 am
#5
The droid engineer revamp was downright pathetic, and the image desinger one was merely a "mini-publish". If they spent nearly as much time on other professions as they do jedi this would be a much better game right now.
WinterRoseASFR
Thu Jul 08, 2004 7:47 am
#6
The problem with biding our time til the dev's are less busy is that the logic is flawed. The Devs are NEVER going to be less busy as long as the whiny-est players get the grease, and the devs favor introducing new content over fixing existing content. Who the hell was screaming for swoop race courses? That's so much more important than the combat this game is designed around isn't it? Remaining quiet isn't the answer. The answer is to get the devs to realize that they need to fix what's broken instead of firing in changes that mean jack to keep us distracted. As long as we remain distracted with minutiae and don't keep letting them know how dissatisfied we are with thier service, they'll go right on doing what they've not been doing and nothing will get done.
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"You may have noticed some changes. Don't worry. The changes will continue. Hey, relax guy. Take a rest. Look over there."
-Saddam Hussein, 'South Park'
Agricola1
Thu Jul 08, 2004 9:42 am
#7
Squidwalker wrote:
I"m seeing more and more posts by BH asking and complaining about our profession and specials. Asking what they are supposed to do, because they don't see how the specials work, or asking why they are broken etc.
ROFL it really cracks me up, that some other profession like BH can come over here and be so surprised that another combat profession is broken, probably worse then BH in some eyes.
So maybe if enough BH come over here and start yelling, screaming and flaming the devs, we pistoleers will get our fixes finally. Don't reduce our requirments or anything, just fix us, and then put us in line for a revamp. Right after Ranger.
I'm a BH and they asked us if we wanted an sp reduction and we said no we want our prof fixed. Well you guys know the rest of that tale, our prof still suxs except we can pick up another that doesn't sux so badly. Well I'm taking up master pistoleer, so far I'm 3-3-3-4 and what I've noticed is that most if not all your specails, so far, sux! Man if you don't have the BH specials it seems to me that in pvp you're like a one legged man in an arse kicking contest! the great advantage to bh is that i can use my carbine to kd/dizzy from range then use my pistol with torso and eye shot. I think they noticed that pistols,carbines and bh had problems so they let us master each other rather than solve the problems with the profs.
Now what's worse for you is that after we pick up pistol skills the jedi will whine to thier masters "it's not fair, a bh killed me with a geo pistol" and you'll get shafted, sorry nerfed every other week like us bh!
Well they should fix pistols,carbines and bh in any order would be fine for us bh since we use both pistols and carbines most of the time as the llc is about as accurate as a V1 flying bomb. Good luck m8 you'll need it now!
WesBelden
Thu Jul 08, 2004 10:36 am
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Randonb wrote:
Haha I hadn't thought about it that way. The new skill point requirements will result in more BHs coming over to the Pistoleer side of things. It is possible, I suppose. Development decisions try to prioritize the most amount of good for the least amount of resources (the resource in question is usually time), so more Pistoleers floating around could be good for that. It certainly won't hurt.
I nearly spat tea all over my monitor when I read that- do you really believe that Randonb, when they've spent two whole publishes on Jedi, a very small minority, instead of doing the combat balance (affects every profession bar the entertainer professions) and the GCW (affects everyone)?
I don't want to say that unused professions never get love, because sometimes they do. Image Designers, Chefs, and Droid Engineers were all either uncommon or downright Super Rare. They all got revamps because they were in such great need.
"Where's our revamp?" You say. Well, our problems are much more complex because some of them stem from the combat system itself. Why we haven't gotten a half of a revamp I'm not sure. I think they had originally planned a more acceptable date for the Combat Balance, and it just got delayed a little bit over and over without really looking at the overall picture.
I suspect things like a few thousand Riflemen yelling about their T-21; CHs needing changing; development ofmounts, vehicles and player cities; the, ahem, Imperial crack down;and of course, those insatiableJedi (had to get them in again eh?
As for BHs coming over here and being somewhat stunned at how broken we really are, it would be oh so sweet irony, but for the fact that we are so broken. I doubt you'll see any apologies from any of those BHs that were always stressing how bad BHs were compared to Pistoleers though, but then I guess I shouldn't expect any.
I should get more sunlight, maybe I'd be a happier person.
Randonb
Thu Jul 08, 2004 11:26 am
#9
WesBelden wrote:
Randonb wrote:
Haha I hadn't thought about it that way. The new skill point requirements will result in more BHs coming over to the Pistoleer side of things. It is possible, I suppose. Development decisions try to prioritize the most amount of good for the least amount of resources (the resource in question is usually time), so more Pistoleers floating around could be good for that. It certainly won't hurt.
I nearly spat tea all over my monitor when I read that
Do I believe that they try? Yes. Do I believe that they succeed? No.
WesBelden
Thu Jul 08, 2004 11:55 am
#10
That's probably accurate. If I wanted to be bitchy (which built up frustration invariabley makes me want to do) I could point them in the direction of Yoda and his little comment on trying
I just wish Verant would fork out for a few more devs for the live team 
(P.S. I'm just ranting, I wasn't trying to get at you or anyone else for that matter, just letting off steam in a jack ass way)
MetallicaJunkie
Thu Jul 08, 2004 1:25 pm
#11
WinterRoseASFR wrote:
Remaining quiet isn't the answer. The answer is to get the devs to realize that they need to fix what's broken instead of firing in changes that mean jack to keep us distracted.
There are too many to check, but if your name resides on ANY of the petitions for dual wielding pistols or holsters, you have no credibility here and no respect from me after making this argument. Surely you would be against such "new content" that is intended to "distract" us from the problems of our broken profession.
If you have not signed for either or these changes then I apologise, as I know exactly what you mean, the new content added each month that I cannot participate in while I remain a pistoleer, DWB has killed thousands of pistoleer who keep going back because they can't afford DE-10s.
As for my waiting strategy. I only meant to wait to see what the combat balance brings us, as anything we ask for now regarding combat they tell us "wait for combat balance" or "the workload with jedi, JTL and CB is too much for us to take on anything new right now, you can have another nerf and a swoop race track to keep you busy though" In order to avoid this type of treatment I suggest we keep to our own and let the devs get on with it. A little closer to combat balance when they publish the intended changes, we can give them our thoughts, until then, we wait.
PS, let the noobs keep whining for dual wield and holsters, those will never be successfully implemented and we use another broken feature or twoin this profession, seriously.
Master_Pistoleer
Thu Jul 08, 2004 1:39 pm
#12
ive been a bh pistol mix for a long while now and i think bh is actually very powerful in pvp and pve, the only thing i think is stopping them in pvp in kd. if it werent for that they would be very good, especialy with those uber scatters going around.
Squidwalker
Thu Jul 08, 2004 1:47 pm
#13
Agricola1 wrote:
Squidwalker wrote:
I"m seeing more and more posts by BH asking and complaining about our profession and specials. Asking what they are supposed to do, because they don't see how the specials work, or asking why they are broken etc.
ROFL it really cracks me up, that some other profession like BH can come over here and be so surprised that another combat profession is broken, probably worse then BH in some eyes.
So maybe if enough BH come over here and start yelling, screaming and flaming the devs, we pistoleers will get our fixes finally. Don't reduce our requirments or anything, just fix us, and then put us in line for a revamp. Right after Ranger.
I'm a BH and they asked us if we wanted an sp reduction and we said no we want our prof fixed. Well you guys know the rest of that tale, our prof still suxs except we can pick up another that doesn't sux so badly. Well I'm taking up master pistoleer, so far I'm 3-3-3-4 and what I've noticed is that most if not all your specails, so far, sux! Man if you don't have the BH specials it seems to me that in pvp you're like a one legged man in an arse kicking contest! the great advantage to bh is that i can use my carbine to kd/dizzy from range then use my pistol with torso and eye shot. I think they noticed that pistols,carbines and bh had problems so they let us master each other rather than solve the problems with the profs.
Now what's worse for you is that after we pick up pistol skills the jedi will whine to thier masters "it's not fair, a bh killed me with a geo pistol" and you'll get shafted, sorry nerfed every other week like us bh!
Well they should fix pistols,carbines and bh in any order would be fine for us bh since we use both pistols and carbines most of the time as the llc is about as accurate as a V1 flying bomb. Good luck m8 you'll need it now!
Yep you nailed it. I have observed that any player in Pistoleer forums that says they are able to woop azz on high level stuff or in PvP, are also smuggler or BH. And if you ask them what specials they use, it's never pistoleer ones. Best they use fanshot. But the dirty fighting in smuggler(but only with pistoleer) is better then only pistoleer. And the BH stuff like torso shot, eyeshot rock over ANY pistoleer specials.
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