Pistoleer Archive
Thread: Pistoleers, maybe not the pistoler masters we wish to be?
I made a new chr on Bria just recently after having played as bh/wpnsmith/tk and dabbling in a few others.
I had never really looked at the pistoleer skill tree before but i decided heck, ill go master pistoleer master ch and have lotsa fun. Now in comparing bh and pistoleer speed and accuracy upgrades i can say in speed pistoleer loses, not only that but compared to a scatter pistol of a bh a dx2 isnt much, this is after getting to novice pistoleer 0032 and having been bh 0044 before so I can say that while the pistoleer has a few more abilities, they really arent worth all that much, pistoleers just arent what they should be, just my little 2cr here, if any dev's see this would you mind telling me what you plan to do in the future regarding issues such as this? their quite abundant in the game.
We know all your points by heart. Though the little extras have been made more worthwhile since the defense boost.
I wouldn't expect anything to be done about anything combat related for a good bit, they devs have this whole new combat change that they're saying will fix all the problems. Of course, if you believe that bit I know a prince in Africa that needs to transfer some money, so if you could get me your bank and credit card numbers it'll be a big help, and we'll give you 10% of the money as a thank you.
Tooshar wrote:
I made a new chr on Bria just recently after having played as bh/wpnsmith/tk and dabbling in a few others.
I had never really looked at the pistoleer skill tree before but i decided heck, ill go master pistoleer master ch and have lotsa fun. Now in comparing bh and pistoleer speed and accuracy upgrades i can say in speed pistoleer loses, not only that but compared to a scatter pistol of a bh a dx2 isnt much, this is after getting to novice pistoleer 0032 and having been bh 0044 before so I can say that while the pistoleer has a few more abilities, they really arent worth all that much, pistoleers just arent what they should be, just my little 2cr here, if any dev's see this would you mind telling me what you plan to do in the future regarding issues such as this? their quite abundant in the game.
Yes, you're correct. A 0/0/3/2 pistoleer is nowhere near as strong as an expert bh. I was both at one point.
I can tell you this though, when i made master pistoleer i worked over expert bounty hunters with no probs, using a krayt fwg5. Master pistoleer gives you some better dodge bonuses soyou can side step/roll right out of the line of fire. Its pretty sweet.
I honestly think the pistoleer profession is too weak to depend on if you are not a master. You better pick up smuggler or bh pistols to be strong.
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xoshiex wrote:
I can tell you this though, when i made master pistoleer i worked over expert bounty hunters with no probs, using a krayt fwg5. Master pistoleer gives you some better dodge bonuses soyou can side step/roll right out of the line of fire. Its pretty sweet.
You must have been using a pretty sweet FWG5 ... against a real moron. I've beaten almost every profession at one time or another as a pure Pistoleer, but almost always it was because the other player had no clue. In your hypothetical example, you're hitting a healable pool while he's hitting an unhealable one and blinding you at the same time. If he was buffed (or just had well experimented Stim Bs -- 600+ a heal) you're screwed.
I think the Pistoleer profession is too weak to rely on in PvP, even at Master, without getting another profession to supplement it. It's pretty frustrating nowadays to be a pure Pistoleer, plinking away at the health bar, against armored buffed enemies using uber stims.
xoshiex wrote:
I honestly think the pistoleer profession is too weak to depend on if you are not a master. You better pick up smuggler or bh pistols to be strong.
I don't think a master pistoleer should be able to beat a master bh. Even if he only uses a pistol. Common sensewould tell me that ifboth parties using ONLY pistols a Master Pistoleer would win, but a BH has so few points once he masters that's about all he can do. Fight and has some scout skills. Maybe a little medic or a little extra ranged, ch, or ranger. Nothing much though. You master pistoleer and you can still do at least one more of any master besides bh (i think, but if there is anymore, there aren't many of them). And can dable in all sorts of skills. BH will always be powerful and should be, If they master BH the deserve it. Pistoleer is nothing to master compared to BH. AndI am a pistoleer/scout/brawler btw, not a BH, never even been a novice BH, but I've seen freinds go though it, and it'sso much tougher than going through pistol. You might as well say a master BH is a pure combat character, b/c that's all he or she can really do, unlike a master Pistoleer, who can do a number of other things and still begreat in combat. If a BH didn't have it's own weapons, abilities, ect over other "regular" combat classes, what would be thepoint/usefulness of going BH? None.
Don't worry, read in a dev post we should be getting more weapons andabilities specific to each class soon. That means we'll have a pistol that the BH can't usemore than likely. Nor will anyone elseunless they go deep into/master pistoleer. Have faith. You can complain all you want, but trying to please 300,000 nerdy rpg players in a dynamic, ever changing game isn't easy. I think they're doing pretty well. I say this after Iwon't be getting my holo b/cI renewed my account just a week ago after 2 months off and wiped my character for a new one.**edit** happens. If you don't want to pay for a game you don't feel is giving you your moneys worth, quit and come back in a few months. I did and I havefound myself enjoying the game and not getting caught up in whining all the time like before.
The game was probably released to early, yeah. Is it the developers fault? Probably not. At least not the ones that are actually working on the game. Maybe the Suits ofPower, but I doubt any of the guys and gals trying to fix this stuff are responsible for that. Don't let them off the hook and get 'em lazy 
, butjeez. Nomaster of an elite marksman proffession should ever beat a masterBH, if skill level is equal. Now if the guys stupid orjust has bad luck then yeah, maybe sometimes. Buta master BH has spent a lot more time and used a lot of SP to be what they are. What didwe spend to be a master pistoleer?Around 125 sp, compared to, oh, 230 for the BH. You even still have plenty of SP to go and get the pistol tree of BH if you want. Then you'll be out of SP, but it's possible, so I wouldn't complain. Not only will you have his weapon, but you'll be a helluva lot better at shooting it than he is.
Hawaii5_o wrote:
It doesn't matter how many skill points you've used or how much time it took you to get there. When it comes to pistols, the Master Pistoleer should always be able to defeat anyone else using a pistol. Sure, I expect a MBH to dispatcha MPquickly when using an LLC, but pistol to pistol he should lose. The MP spend more time and skill points on pistol skills than the MBH. That's what it comes down to.
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