Pistoleer Archive

I'm glad to see that once again, another thread degrades into another "which class is better for combat". We can never have too many of these!

You know, every single time I read a BH post, I cant help but feel its a class for people who ride the yellow bus to school.

Why should a Bounty Hunter, who is adept with all sorts of weapons, be better than a MASTER Pistoleer, who is, after all, supposed to be the master of pistols?

Lack of edit feature: Noticed a lack of clarity in my last post, I was clearly only refering to pistol speed and accuracy markers. A Master Pistoleer should be the fastest and most accurate of all classes when it comes to pistol use, same as amaster rifleman should be the best with the rifle, etc etc.

Why in the hell are you BH's even reading in this forum?

Some of us might also be pistoleers?

Some of us might actually want to help you?

1.) The small extra plus to pistol speed makes no diffrence, as we all know we hit the speed cap for any pistol well before we ever max out either BH or Pistol speed. Frankly this is just a bad point to be making a stink over....

2.) Rather then argue over a +6 skill (Or is it +1, I do belive you guys get +49)....You should be trying to get things like..Double tap...Stopping shot....Body shot 3 working correctly..

You should be complaining that your defenses are not working...

you should be complaining that you special accuracy modifers are not working...

There are a TON of things broken, stop simply whining and research your class...Going after somone else, or complaining about somone else will only HURT you in the end...Eventually when everyone else has been nerfed into oblivion they will come for you. They will make disarm shot even more useless...They will make double tap do damage to you ....These sound like jokes people, but the constant skill tree envy, rather then skill tree pride is going to destroy us all...

Why dont you guys just ask for you modifier to shoot while standing be changed to a general accuracy modifier? Things like that would work awsome.....

BTW stop thinking of boards as YOURS....ANYONE can branch into pistoleer...Most of you can not get the concept of a skill based game to overwrite the old EQ class system....

Well Taewyn, I'm glad the omnipotent BH are willing to help lesser pistoleer, thanx for your compassion.

The speed DOES make a difference, especially because

1) you have to be master pistoleer to get the +20 mod, very hard to get indeed
2) BH can stack THEIR pistoll speed (way faster to get, sorry) and pistoleers one (at least the +6 ones that are granted for FREE since you have no real use in your own tree of the combat XP you gain). BH is still way faster than a pistoleer.

FYI, Pistoleers are also complaining (yeah, Pistoleer is a whiner made profession, genetic...) for everythin you said and other things you didn't.

I agree for the envy vs pride thing...but reaslise there is NOTHING to be pride of in the Pistoleer Tree...nothing. This only real pride we can have is pistoleer is the best Star Wars Spirit profession in the game, like BH (but it is hard to understand how there can be so many BHs in the world).

Another thing : yes, most of other professions can become a novice pistoleer for the least...but almost none can Master it, so Master Pistoleers SHOULD be the more powerfull Pistol User in the game. It is not the case, you can't even argue against that.



For me, everyone is welcome on any board, I read other boards too and I would really be chocked someone prevents me to do so. but at least, stop taunting us (some of you are taunting).

Please don't propogate misinformation. You get 49 pistol speed, we get 50, that's one itty-bitty point. You guys have better accuracy.

You guys have real issues you know.

Your signature gun, the DX2 sucks.

Most of your skills do nothing special.

Your defense mods don't seem to work correctly.

And so on.

Why don't you focus on that instead of harping on BHs all the time because they might have a slight advantage over you in some way (1% speed, woohoo).

This is the way it was ment to be, if you don't like it ditch pistoleer and deal with the uber NERFED bounty hunter.

agree for the envy vs pride thing...but reaslise there is NOTHING to be pride of in the Pistoleer Tree...nothing. This only real pride we can have is pistoleer is the best Star Wars Spirit profession in the game, like BH (but it is hard to understand how there can be so many BHs in the world).

Pride things that need to be fixed.

1.) You have the highest defenses of any tree in the entire game.

a.) These are broken, instead of starting posts over +1 speed you should be starting posts over that.

2.) You have the more vesatility in your accuracy modifiers then a BH does.

b.) Concentrate on having these be more effective.

3.) Your have many more specials then the BH in with pistols.

c.) Keep up the vocals on getting these specials fixed...so many are broken you can even begin to compare yourselves before they are fixed.

There are a ton of things to take pride in, and try to fix.

BTW as for the pistol mods in the BH tree being to bunched up? I agree with you 100%

In fact I always though they should make all three weapon lines into "BH weapon special lines"...Make them use combat exp so they are a little harder to get..and spread our specials/mods throughout all three branches......Perhaps have every box have +3 carbine/pistol/LLC speed and accuracy...Rather then have +10+10 in each box, which I agree is dumb and makes the skill system easily explotable.

Yeah I agree with Taewyn. The BH Pistol tree and mods needto be spread out a bit throughout the BH profession so there's incentive to get more than one/two trees. The pistoleer class is actually pretty good IF it worked. New weapons were promised, so that should solve the DX2 problem, and the defenses actually seem pretty great. Imagine a Commando with already pretty iffy accuracy on his flamethrower, running a Flame Single 2 on a Pistoleer...only to be dodged. That would put him in a 15 second cooldown, which would generally kill him. The Dodge skills also happens to come with specials. Granted the specials all suck in that tree right now, but it's only a matter of time before they're fixed.

Then if you go back to the heavy weapons, if you feed their respective forums, you'll hear that they have some serious difficulty hitting moving targets. I'm not sure how generic accuracy mods work, but I believe we're the only ones to have a "to hit while moving" bonus, that specifically works while on the move.

This only leaves us with the Eyeshot problem. I suppose it could be fixed by increasing the cooldown and reducing the chance of blinding so the target has some kind of chance to fight back. It makes sense too, since it is pretty much impossible for anyone to constantly hit the eye, without missing at some point to hit the rest of the head. There's also the stims problem, but I don't really have any idea on how to fix it.

my idea to fix the bh wep lines is to make them specialize in 1 wep and earn all their skillpoints in that wep. if the bh had to earn 16 boxes of 1 wep then i wouldnt be so mad that they get the best special attack and the best pistol in the game from their pistol line. make the bh's earn it now it is very easy to get to novice bh and earn the boxes in pistol. to get to master pistoleer it takes alot of combat exp, wich currently the bh's dont have to earn.

Those special acc. modifiers are basically worthless Just something to put in the box so that it doesn't seem to so bare But Anyways I'm TKM Master Brawler and Going into Smuggler for dirty fighting and underworld and am pistoleer with Pistol Stances 3 lol but no other skills. TO say the least combat xp is not thath hard to get

Taewyn you bring reasonble points that should be looked at. It's nice to have someone promoting fixing not nerfing which seems to be much morecommon.Unfortunatly I feel we will not be fixed for a while so I'm going bounty. I hope we are fixedso I can go back to my pistol/ch mix, but for theforeseeable futureI'm going bounty. And, from reading your forum and comparing, you guys need your carbine line fixed.

Oh and CH needs some love too.