Pistoleer Archive
Thread: Best gun to pvp with
Arajl
Sat Feb 26, 2005 11:56 am
#14
Go with the DE10 if you are speed capped. The minimun damage will help get through ranged mitigation (pvping you will fight lots of riflemen).
Plus the DE10 looks so damn cool
Plus the DE10 looks so damn cool
AndrewGoentzel
Sat Feb 26, 2005 5:12 pm
#15
Alepe wrote:
Here are my two cents:
DE-10 Pistol Virtually useless in PvP situations with 85-90% Comp armor and a anti-decay kit put on a sliced PSG your damage just isn't going to be effective. My PvP armor is sliced to 90% base and my PSG adds another 26% protection(I think)that never decays.
Geo Pistol Virtually useless in PvP situation with 35-39% STUN armor and a anti-decay kit put on a sliced PSG your damage just isn't going to be effective. I personally have 37% Stun armor with a PSG sliced to 62% STUN protection. Go ahead please use a Geo pistol on me.
DX-2/Scatter I think this is your only option. All PSG's have no defense VS acid. And I know that the Scatter and I think the DX-2 have light armor piercing.
If this isn't where your server is now, it will be very soon. If you disagree with me, please enlighten me. I could use any tip that would make me a better PvPer myself.
Message Edited by Alepe on 02-26-2005 11:30 AM
I disagree, the only time I could do a lot of damage in pvp with acid was with a 700+ damage DXR6-b rifle. When i try to use my scatter pistol which is 170-492 in pvp i hit for less than i do with my 430 max geo, which isn't very much. The only thing I have going for me in pvp is an ADK'd 60% base psg, which I wear and spam eyeshot/torsoshot/last ditch and try to outlast whoever i am fighting, unless itsa jedi, then I'm pretty much screwed either way.
Blasted saber block. So unlessyou own an ungodly scatter/dx2 pistol then stay away from using them, and when i say ungodly i mean 600-700+ damage.
Alepe
Sat Feb 26, 2005 5:49 pm
#16
AndrewGoentzel wrote:
Alepe wrote:
Here are my two cents:
DE-10 Pistol Virtually useless in PvP situations with 85-90% Comp armor and a anti-decay kit put on a sliced PSG your damage just isn't going to be effective. My PvP armor is sliced to 90% base and my PSG adds another 26% protection(I think)that never decays.
Geo Pistol Virtually useless in PvP situation with 35-39% STUN armor and a anti-decay kit put on a sliced PSG your damage just isn't going to be effective. I personally have 37% Stun armor with a PSG sliced to 62% STUN protection. Go ahead please use a Geo pistol on me.
DX-2/Scatter I think this is your only option. All PSG's have no defense VS acid. And I know that the Scatter and I think the DX-2 have light armor piercing.
If this isn't where your server is now, it will be very soon. If you disagree with me, please enlighten me. I could use any tip that would make me a better PvPer myself.
Message Edited by Alepe on 02-26-2005 11:30 AM
I disagree, the only time I could do a lot of damage in pvp with acid was with a 700+ damage DXR6-b rifle. When i try to use my scatter pistol which is 170-492 in pvp i hit for less than i do with my 430 max geo, which isn't very much. The only thing I have going for me in pvp is an ADK'd 60% base psg, which I wear and spam eyeshot/torsoshot/last ditch and try to outlast whoever i am fighting, unless itsa jedi, then I'm pretty much screwed either way.
I 100% agree with what you are saying before the days of anti-decay. Now that ADK's are on the scene coupled with nice armor, what options do you really have? STUN nor ENERGY can ge through one's defenses. Only ACID can. You are right, your scatter pistol doesn't do a lot of damage, but if you compared it to a DE-10 or Geo, my money is on a nice Scatter. I am talking in present terms - not before the AD kits came out. Go after me with my 37% STUN armor and my 62% STUN PSG - I gaurantee you will drop my ass much faster with your Scatter, then your Geo. Keep in mind that the Geo also has zero armor piercing and the Scatter does. If anyone on Ahazi wants to test this, I would enjoy being the guinnea pig. LOL
BeWary
Sun Feb 27, 2005 1:00 pm
#17
Check my post above for some numbers. you're wrong about needing a "godly" scatter or DX2. If my DX2 has HALF the top end ofmy DE-10 I'll still be throwin more damage in PvP vs %90 resists and a PSG woth the DX2. Numbers shown in the combat spam ( which is where I'm sure you're seein bigger numbers for your DE-10, GSB) are before armor reduction.
DE-10 hits for 6000 vs AR1 %90 energy and a %50 PSG= 300 points getting thru
DX2 hits for 3000 vs AR1 %90 resists and %50 PSG= 300 points get thru.
Thats half the raw damage for the exact same true damage. If your DE-10 is 500 top end, your DX2 only needs to be 250 to outproform it, if your speed capped.If you don't have BH pistols it gets even better for the DX2 as chances are your speed capped on it, unlike the slow arse DE-10.
BeWary
Sun Feb 27, 2005 5:48 pm
#19
just random numbers to illustrate a point. I'm a pistoleer, I have screenshots of every hit I've ever made in PvP thats over 1k 
lol.
lol.
Sinara-Snake
Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:11 am
#20
What do ya'll mean when you say AP? I have a DE-10 and a Genosian Sonic Blaster. But I have more max damage and it's anti-decay on my DE-10
BeWary
Mon Feb 28, 2005 3:25 am
#21
For each level of AP you have more than your targets AR level you get a +%25 to damage, for every layer of AR your target has more than your AP level they get a %50 damage reduction.
AP0 ( no armor piercing)gun vs Heavy Armor ( ar3) = -%50 as it passes thry the first layer, then -%50 as it passes thru the second layer, then -%50 as it passes thru the thrid layer, then -whatever the resists are.
AP2 ( medium armor piercing) vs Light Armor ( AR1)= AR1 cancels out AP1, so you have AP1 vs AR0 in effect, giving you +%25 as it rips thru the armor, then - whatever % the resists are.
There is a bug where if your target is vuln to your damage type, you recieve no AP bonus. It's been around forever. So even if your target is vuln to energy, your T21 won't be seeing a damage boost. Really hurts the DX2.
Alepe
Mon Feb 28, 2005 1:58 pm
#22
AP = Armor Piercing.
The DE-10, Scatter, and DX-2 all have Light AP, while the Geo has no AP
fishbrains
Mon Feb 28, 2005 4:17 pm
#23
Actually I'm surprised at the amount of folks who still PvP without stun armor. I find myself using my 177-444 geo almost all the time. It's got an ADK so it's allways pupped. If they have stun armor I Usually just switch to my DE-10. If they have a PSG that does not ahve an anti decay kit on it I can usually batter through it fast with my geo.
LordDixch
Mon Feb 28, 2005 5:08 pm
#24
what I dont get is why so many of you are acting like everyone has a ADK. and not only that but an ADK on a PSG. Thats simply not the case. The majority of ADKs are used on uber weapons. If a person has an ADK on a PSG that generaly means
A) they bought that particular ADK meaning they have lots of money and LOTS of good euqipment for
weapons that will pOwn a pistoler anyways
B) they are stupid and can be beaten easily in PVP
C) well c is a mix of A and B
remeber NOT EVERYONE HAS ADK ON A PSG IF THEY HAVE AN ADK AT ALL!!!
so use the highest dmg weapon you have is the general rule. Against jedi the same rule applys but is a solid hard set rule. you should always have one good weapon of acid a DE-10/rep blaster, and a geo. Switch them out in a fight, start with the geo first, if it does little to no dmg then keep it, if it hits hard stay with it. Switch to the weapon that does the most dmg and stay with it. Also use the geo for the first 30 shots generaly, 45% synthi stakes can trick you and youll waste your time thinking your DE-10 is uber when they actualy have no stun armor on.
fishbrains
Mon Feb 28, 2005 5:13 pm
#25
LordDixch wrote:
what I dont get is why so many of you are acting like everyone has a ADK. and not only that but an ADK on a PSG. Thats simply not the case. The majority of ADKs are used on uber weapons. If a person has an ADK on a PSG that generaly means
A) they bought that particular ADK meaning they have lots of money and LOTS of good euqipment for
weapons that will pOwn a pistoler anyways Your lack of faith in your profession is disturbing
B) they are stupid and can be beaten easily in PVP Yeah, this is about as false as it gets. I personally have an ADK PSG and do quite well in PvP. What is wrong with having an extra layor of armor that never decays and has no enc?
C) well c is a mix of A and B
remeber NOT EVERYONE HAS ADK ON A PSG IF THEY HAVE AN ADK AT ALL!!!
so use the highest dmg weapon you have is the general rule. Against jedi the same rule applys but is a solid hard set rule. you should always have one good weapon of acid a DE-10/rep blaster, and a geo. Switch them out in a fight, start with the geo first, if it does little to no dmg then keep it, if it hits hard stay with it. Switch to the weapon that does the most dmg and stay with it. Also use the geo for the first 30 shots generaly, 45% synthi stakes can trick you and youll waste your time thinking your DE-10 is uber when they actualy have no stun armor on.
Else-Whira
Mon Feb 28, 2005 5:18 pm
#26
Alepe wrote:Here are my two cents:DE-10 Pistol Virtually useless in PvP situations with 85-90% Comp armor and a anti-decay kit put on a sliced PSG your damage just isn't going to be effective. My PvP armor is sliced to 90% base and my PSG adds another 26% protection (I think) that never decays.Geo Pistol Virtually useless in PvP situation with 35-39% STUN armor and a anti-decay kit put on a sliced PSG your damage just isn't going to be effective. I personally have 37% Stun armor with a PSG sliced to 62% STUN protection. Go ahead please use a Geo pistol on me.DX-2/Scatter I think this is your only option. All PSG's have no defense VS acid. And I know that the Scatter and I think the DX-2 have light armor piercing.If this isn't where your server is now, it will be very soon. If you disagree with me, please enlighten me. I could use any tip that would make me a better PvPer myself.Message Edited by Alepe on 02-26-2005 11:30 AM
It totally depends on who you are fighting. Personally my primary weapon right now is the scatter. It's Ap1 and it has the highest min damage of all my guns which makes it my first best option against most every template. However... If I notice it really isn't doing any significant damage my second option is switching to my SR combat pistol. The reason? It has a good health poison DoT. I couple that with bleeding shot, torso shot, healthshot 1 and 2 and then switch back to the scatter and spam away with torso shots.