Pistoleer Archive
Thread: Speed Vs Critical
BadgerSmaker
Wed Sep 07, 2005 9:16 am
#14
Stop it you two. Thread will be gone if you dont calm down.
BloodMonk
Wed Sep 07, 2005 9:34 am
#16
it's in that thread
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=game_guides&message.id=295071
Message Edited by BloodMonk on 09-07-2005 09:35 AM
BloodMonk
Wed Sep 07, 2005 9:41 am
#18
and your character sheet? as you still haven't mentioned your weapon speed
Stecoli
Wed Sep 07, 2005 9:41 am
#19
Ok there they are for ya, so you can see yourself, I mean no disrespect to you, however I see loads of posts about this , I do a lot of work getting these 2 pistols, and to save people the trouble of wondering which slice is better, I post this message to try and help, yet you interfere, accuse me of lying and being wrong , try to make me look like an idiot.
Well now here is your proof 100% legit. Please refrain from posting in any more of my message
thanks you.
BloodMonk
Wed Sep 07, 2005 9:50 am
#20
"Ok there they are for ya, so you can see yourself, I mean no disrespect to you, however I see loads of posts about this , I do a lot of work getting these 2 pistols, and to save people the trouble of wondering which slice is better, I post this message to try and help, yet you interfere, accuse me of lying and being wrong , try to make me look like an idiot.
Well now here is your proof 100% legit. Please refrain from posting in any more of my message"
ok let me get this straight...you mean no disrespect, but throw a lot of insults my way...
Are you completely retarded or can you just not read?
damit your so dense please stop before you embarrass yourself.
you don't even bother answering valid questions concerning your speedmod and how you got below the speedcap (which could be considered an exploit fyi).
sorry but I don't see me ANYWHERE accusing you of lying or making you look like an idiot (< which you did by starting to throw insults)
when I see something that doesn't seem right I ask questions, mainly to have a better understanding of the game and game mechanics....not answering these question while posting weapons with dodgy stats DOES raise suspicion...but you can't blame me for that....
edit: spelling
Message Edited by BloodMonk on 09-07-2005 09:51 AM
Stecoli
Wed Sep 07, 2005 10:06 am
#21
Ok heres my character screen, seems no matter what your determined to prove me wrong. how you can call buying a gun an getting it sliced 100% legit an exploit i dont know, obviously there is not 1.73 speed cap on a gun , or maybe it shows less but in fact 1.73 is the cap, who knows. but i want an apology off you for starters.
Mods
ChefVomit
Wed Sep 07, 2005 10:09 am
#22
If I could interject here, I dont think that you need +218 in speed to go from 1.94 base to 1.12 modified. In fact, I am certain that you dont need that much speed for that.
And here is a screenshot to show this. I am including my skill screen (which clearly shows which mods are active...+25 Carbine Speed, +25 General Ranged speed), my character screen (which shows me at 140 speed), and an examine screen of the carbine that I have equipped.
Here is a closeup of the important details:
CLICKY #1
And here is the full screenshot to show there was no tampering:
CLICKY #2
The base on my carbine is 1.98, my modified is 1.15.
The gentleman above listed his base speed as 1.94, and a modified of 1.12.
In other words, I have an even GREATER increase in speed than he does, and my speed is only at 140.
So there is no way he would need 218 speed in order to hid that modified speed of 1.12. The original poster's listed stats are entirely believable.
Not sure what calculator you are using, but you may wish to reconsider it since it appears to be flawed in some manner.
And here is a screenshot to show this. I am including my skill screen (which clearly shows which mods are active...+25 Carbine Speed, +25 General Ranged speed), my character screen (which shows me at 140 speed), and an examine screen of the carbine that I have equipped.
Here is a closeup of the important details:
CLICKY #1
And here is the full screenshot to show there was no tampering:
CLICKY #2
The base on my carbine is 1.98, my modified is 1.15.
The gentleman above listed his base speed as 1.94, and a modified of 1.12.
In other words, I have an even GREATER increase in speed than he does, and my speed is only at 140.
So there is no way he would need 218 speed in order to hid that modified speed of 1.12. The original poster's listed stats are entirely believable.
Not sure what calculator you are using, but you may wish to reconsider it since it appears to be flawed in some manner.
Message Edited by ChefVomit on 09-07-2005 01:12 PM
BloodMonk
Wed Sep 07, 2005 10:16 am
#23
an apology for YOU calling ME dense and retarded? funny guy...if any apology is needed it's you that needs to apologise to me for starting the insults iso just posting the pics and figuring this out.
anyhow....according to the calc the speed should be 1.145 for gun 1 and 0.997 for gun 2 with you speed mod of 149
so it seems the formula used isn't accurate anymore with "extreme" numbers. (yes most people do not have 149 speed nor such low base speed on their guns.)
I'll put in in the thread of the guy that made the spreadsheet
edit: for zemzam: according to the current formula your speed should be 1.175 iso 1.15 (and it says you'd need at least 198 speed to get to 1.15).
I'll add your info too as it seems the error margin get's bigger at high speed.
I haven't checked the sheet with speeds over 105 up untill now, but those all checked out pretty nicely
Message Edited by BloodMonk on 09-07-2005 10:21 AM
ChefVomit
Wed Sep 07, 2005 10:27 am
#24
Back on subject here.....
I did play around with the calculator in that thread that you posted BloodMonk, and it IS a very nice tool. I went through and equipped several different pistols and carbines, with various armor attachment combinations with them, and screenshotted the results.
The results that I came up with is that the tool is nice, but the mathematical formula driving the speed calculation is indeed flawed. In almost no instance did it accurately calculate my speed.
I will try to get some information together and send it to the creator of the tool. Hopefully it will help, and that tool will be a great resource once the correct formula gets nailed down.
I did play around with the calculator in that thread that you posted BloodMonk, and it IS a very nice tool. I went through and equipped several different pistols and carbines, with various armor attachment combinations with them, and screenshotted the results.
The results that I came up with is that the tool is nice, but the mathematical formula driving the speed calculation is indeed flawed. In almost no instance did it accurately calculate my speed.
I will try to get some information together and send it to the creator of the tool. Hopefully it will help, and that tool will be a great resource once the correct formula gets nailed down.
BloodMonk
Wed Sep 07, 2005 10:32 am
#25
yes it is 
the reason I didn't notice any errors is probably because I never got into extreme numbers...I've only been back for a few weeks and that means my best weapons are still curb converts (yuk) and I don't have any speed tapes
Rogue135
Wed Sep 07, 2005 1:28 pm
#26
Did I not make it crystal clear not to quote me on the speed slice cap? I wasn't sure, it a number i snatched out of the air because I thought it seemed right 