Pistoleer Archive
Thread: Stop saying pistoleer sucks, its rocks
Blankgrun wrote:
Uh... where do you get off being all holier than thou? If you paid attention, more than a few top end combat templates revolve around pistoleer, so why don't you just be quiet and think before you speak. Tempest's top PvPer uses a pistol nearly exclusively.
You are right though some of the best pvp templates revolve around pistoleer. I don't doubt that.
But now focus on pistoleer ONLY. Just pistoleer. not pistoleer with bh pistols IV, or pistoleer with dirty fighting IV. Just pistoleer.
This whole post confuses me.
whats going on? best pvper a pistoleer? tempest must be the newbiest server ever then. or he must have an exploited gun. or have an extremely uber pre-nerf kyrat'd weapon made with top resources by a +25 MWS.
kd exclusively a pistoleer move? did i interprete what you said right?
WHAT IS GOING ON? WHERE DID YOU GET THE CRACK AND CAN I HAVE SOME BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE ITS REALLY PRIMO STUFF!
I am not exactly sure what I want to say to you Olihino. I guess i'll just say I am glad you are happy with just Pistoleer combat skills. I myself did not truly appreciate how much I needed to compliment the Master pistoleer tree until I turned my pistols on other experienced PvPers.
I dropped CH cause it has been gimped beyond recognition. Picked up the Smuggler Dirty fighting line. Now we are talking. And I am currently working on mastering Fencer 0,4,2,4 and a little TKA 3,4,0,0. Having a blast now. I will keep it after publish 7. Its a great PvP template. 
But pistoleer alone? I am resigned to disagree. 
I am going to ignore all of the above posts, not out of ignorance but because everyone ingame has a totally different set of gear and a personalized char with different traits. When I first started pistoleer during launch week, I was a stupid newb who had no clue as in how to pvp so I got my butt handed to me religiously. Over time and the learning process being forced to go faster due to a craving for pvp I learned how to be more selective with my gear. As a class in itself I must agree that it is pretty borked with a lot of broken attacks and close to useless against defense stackers (mostly rifleman/TKM) sinse a large portion of our attacks are broken. But after playing my main char as a pistoleer and only a pistoleer ever sinse launch week I have learned how to take my borked class and add to it the best gear that my server had to offer at the time.
I would shop for new equipment daily when the pvp was at a standstill, and powerups/food/armor and other pvp gear was at the top of my list at all times. I learned the importance of using the commands "innate vitalize" and "innate equilibrium" as zabrak to work in my favor when the perfect time arose to use them. Knowing when to pick and chose my fights and what gear to use on each target was my main concern as to be able to withstand attacks from almost every combat class. I learned so much out on the field as far as tactics and improvised fighting goes. Planning it out first nets me great gains once the battle has started and during combat I watch for key elements to line up so that I can out maneuver my foe when he is at a tactical disadvantage. Learning my enemies weaknesses and taking advantage of them was one of my best tools in my inventory.
When the craze of having the best krayted FWG5 on the server was going on I farmed Krayts for weeks to make sure I got my hands on some great tissues for my hero of a gunsmith (thanks Booi you own bro). My 61-276 pistol did not have the greatest damage to it, but it was 1.1 speed and thank god for a speed slice I was graced with a 0.8 speed fully automatic pistol At that point in time on my server that was one of the best guns, I know that 90% of you have better ones now and so do I. All of my gear was tailored in this fashion to insure that my char could compete with the big boys. It is a vicious cycle of constantly buying the latest and greatest gear that made my pistoleer char stand out. I took that borked profession and learned which attacks should be up on my tool bar.
The moral of this story is that I (like many other players out there) stuck with my very first profession (sinse launch week) and have stuck with it (to this very day still) and have learned to take advantage of my servers gear offered to the masses at every chance I got. I made my borked pistoleer better than a large portion of pistoleers on my server, there are few at the moment that can beat me on my good days. I think that the pistoleer profession is greatlooking throughthe eyes of my current char. I have learned to make him a bad mofo, of course there are a dozen other professions out there with tons of players that have done the same things that I have and owned me on a lot of occasions. We win some, and we all lose some. My point is that you can take this class and label it as borked and pass it off as junk, or you can harness your servers gear and make it own like no other. In no way am I the best pistoleer on Ahazi but I have come a long way and I am close to the top. After doing all of the above things that I have mentioned, I can now take out pistoleer/rogues and other tougher templates due to my selective nature in my equipment and learning how to make my char have the upper hand. Take your time to learn your character and not rush off to your next holo grind and then pass it off as the worst pvp class in the game. Some of my best friends on my server have done this and I have had to show them the hard way that they are terribly mistaken about my little Vee
(before the flames come in.....yes I get owned a buttload by defense stackers/rifleman)
In order to deal 1k damage with Stopping Shot you need to be facing an unarmored, knocked down opponent with no Ranged Damage Mitigation. And you will need a max damage 534 pistol. Sorry, I don't buy it.
Rolling max damage of 534:
534 x 1.5 =801 (knock down bonus)
801x 5 = 4005 (damage multiplier of Stopping Shot)
4,000x 0.25 = 1,001 real damage output (PvP damage reduction)
Again, these are ideal conditions - no armor, no Ranged Damage Mitigation, knocked down, and rolling maximum damage. You are sorely mistaken, LePerdu.
I can tell you,without a shadow of a doubt, that the highest amount of damage you have ever dealt in PvP with that weapon with Stopping Shot is 635 (Last Ditch from Smuggler could bump that number up to 763, but that's all). Furthermore, that isabout 40% more max damage than most players will see with their more widely available weapons (aka, still able to be crafted and with a price tag of under 500k).
You can flap your arms, scream and shout, or make cocky statementsas much as you please, but the numbers aren't on your side.
EDIT: added in notes to make the math easier to follow
Message Edited by Randonb on 02-24-2004 03:40 AM
biwan:Great post, you hit the nail on the head with what i was thinking after reading his 'day-dream 1k" pvp hits to
Randonb wrote:
In order to deal 1k damage with Stopping Shot you need to be facing an unarmored, knocked down opponent with no Ranged Damage Mitigation. And you will need a max damage 534 pistol. Sorry, I don't buy it.
Rolling max damage of 534:
534 x 1.5 =801 (knock down bonus)
801x 5 = 4005 (damage multiplier of Stopping Shot)
4,000x 0.25 = 1,001 real damage output (PvP damage reduction)
Again, these are ideal conditions - no armor, no Ranged Damage Mitigation, knocked down, and rolling maximum damage. You are sorely mistaken, LePerdu.
I can tell you,without a shadow of a doubt, that the highest amount of damage you have ever dealt in PvP with that weapon with Stopping Shot is 635 (Last Ditch from Smuggler could bump that number up to 763, but that's all). Furthermore, that isabout 40% more max damage than most players will see with their more widely available weapons (aka, still able to be crafted and with a price tag of under 500k).
You can flap your arms, scream and shout, or make cocky statementsas much as you please, but the numbers aren't on your side.
EDIT: added in notes to make the math easier to follow
Message Edited by Randonb on 02-24-2004 03:40 AM
way back in the days i too thought pistoleer was a pretty decent pvp profession . since then i have mastered and pvp'd with several other professions and believe me we are one of the worst pvp professions . to the above poster reffering to tempest having a lot of good pvp pistoleers , he is correct but what he fails to mention is that they all have smuggler dirty fighting + fencer and/or tka defence stacking . so basically if you are willing to allocate all of your skill points to make a good pvp template then pistoleer can be quite decent but on its own its crap .
oahep acto
p.s. and hurray for you that you have a rocking pre-nerf krayt fwg-5 but its hardly fair to make a generalized comment about a profession when you are using weapons that are no longer craftable and hence unavailable to the vast majority of pistoleers.
Jandel-Har wrote:
Being reletively new to pistoleer I have only read this forum for a little bit, but it's the same here as anywhere ,everyones opinon is that "if you're not like me then you are stupid and wrong" . If the man likes pistoleer , good for him .If you don't then either point out the short comings of the profession or just leave it alone. Don't tell him that he could never win againt you and your uberness. If you're not a pistoleer to some degree , stop trolling. And that's my OPINON .
This will probably never change so to actually save you some time, not to mention frustration, i would suggest you just don't think about it
.. but you are absolutely right.
EasyRhino wrote:
Its cool for PvE but PvP you need more than just pistoleer.
True true, well this is the case with many professions. When the new patch goes live and defense stacking is removed, it'll be a completely different ball game for everyone. I'd say that the winnersby that fix will be the ones sticking with their profession trying to beat the defense stacking people without stacking themselves. Why you might ask... well, simply because those have come closer and closer towards beating the defense stackers by putting some honest effort into it, while the stackers mostly just sat down going lazy from all the easy kills.
mho
One of the problem issues is that two of the best pistols in game we can not use as MP, you have to use points for bounty hunter or commando for them. booo....
Otherwise we are limited to low damage weapons, I have been looking around but can not find any weapons doing more that 200 max damage for sale anywhere.... The first post says he has no problem with pistoleer, along with him old 339!!! max damage weapons, you make me laugh. No such weapons exist any more.