Pistoleer Archive

Okay why do bounty hunters do this?

In order to be better at combat (with a pistol in this case) I need to:

1) Become aRifle Specialist - so that i can fully understand long ranged shooting and the art and craft of long bore barrels and the strangths and weaknessesinvolved. I must learn the trade of rifle. I may never use a rifle again, but I have the knowledge from Tuskan Rifles to Jawa Ion Cannons. And pay for the training or learn from a master.

2) Become a Carbine Specialist - To fully understand thecomplexities of a machine gun and medium ranged tactics. I have to endure the harshness of recoil and become expert at the use and application. And pay for the training or learn from a master.

3) Become an Expert in Pistol fundamentals - learning my trade through the use of the grip and stance.

4) Become an Expert in Ranged Combat through thousands of hours of killing with whichever weapon is appropriate. I must learn through experience how ranged combat is performed and feel the pain of error through action. and pay for the training or learn from a master

5)I must become a MasterMarksman and raise appretices, learning to teach andcommunicatemy knowledge gained through hard work.Giving my knowledge and training away... or charging fee's as I see fit.

6) Become an Expert twice over in the Outdoors. Learn to kill. At the earliest stages this requires me to kill and harvest the fruit of beasts and animals. Killing an animal is easier than killing a man... but one must learn to kill and loot. One must be able to run like the wind and hide from prey, no matter who or what they are.

7) Become an Expert Trapper - To become a powerful combatant one must learn the functions of complex traps and their use on creatures. One must find the resources to make thrown weapons to better understand the winds influence and the pacing in simple phases. The componanats of a trap and it's explosives are primary to weapon use on a grander scale.

8) Become aExpert OutDoorsman -To harden my weak body into a fighting machine I must spenda portion of my live in the outdoors making my own way and healing myself through the food Iforage for myself. Many days spent outside the cities and alone on the frontierteach me the ways of the wind and the earth. I am knowledgable in practical physics of my Galaxy.

9) Become a Master Scout and proove my learned status by teaching others.

Thenand only then can I become a Bounty Hunter. Plying my trade in the collection of humanoids for a fee. I have the funadental knowledge of all firearms and the effects of elements to use as my tools. After many thousands of hours with my pistol, I have many advantages over a pistoleer who did none of these but the fundamentals of pistol. and I'm just a novice.

That is what it takes to be a Bounty Hunter. To be good in combat (with a pistol in this case) you have to become a pistoleer. If you want to be effective in combat with a carbine, LLC, and a pistol you have to do the previously mentioned post. comes down to You wanted to be a bounty hunter, You wanted to be able to hunt down marks, You wanted to be able to use a LLC, You wanted to be good at carbines, You wanted to be good with pistols. You wanted to be a bounty hunter. Now Pistoleers don't want anything but to be great with pistols. They spend the skill points in just pistols. The grind the xp in just pistols, but some Bounty Hunter with 3 weapons skills 2 of wich rival their specialist counterparts. Only spend 1/3rd of the time doing the pistol xp grinding, and 1/4 of the skill points for a better speed and accuracy modifier.

Now Pistoleers don't want anything but to be great with pistols. They spend the skill points in just pistols. The grind the xp in just pistols, but some Bounty Hunter with 3 weapons skills 2 of wich rival their specialist counterparts. Only spend 1/3rd of the time doing the pistol xp grinding, and 1/4 of the skill points for a better speed and accuracy modifier.

You could be the only player in the game that has 158 skill points and won't spend it on anything else. You must be if you don't want anything but to be great with pistols. And by "time" do you mean just experience values? I mean if I killed Cupas for 200 xp a pop from novice bounty hunter to BH pistol 4 that would take a hell of a lot more "time" than if I spammed pistolwhip on a Baz Nitch for 3300 xp.

I'm seeing alot of half assed excuses to try and cover this up.

Guys, it cant be covered up, this is the straight up hard evidence.

This says ALL that needs to be said.

~Do not cross a man, with nothing left to lose.

~Honor until death - No fear.

Ex Bounty-Hunter

Lol,

I didn't become a BH to be good at 4 weapons... I became a BH to pwnn00bs in PvP and I'm willing to put in the extrawork to do it rather than take the fast approach. It just so happens that's why I'm working on Pistoleer in addition.

You see... I realized from the beginning that a Bounty Hunter with a pistol and a few pistoleer skills would pwn a Pistoleer with a pistol and drool down his cheek. Why? Because of the 3x investment required SHOULD PAY OFF. One is the easy path and one is the hard path. You tell me which one should pwn the other.

Here's a better intelligent comparison that doesn't lie with numbers...

1) Costs - It only makes sense to compare costs put towards pistol use. After all if a Pistoleer decides to master Scout and Marksman it doesn't make him much better at using a pistol. Yet you seem to want it to make the BH better. Besides some of the bonuses BH's get come from Master Marksman so make our Pistoleer have that too to even it out.

Master Pistoler/Master Scout/Master Marksman

Exp needed: 4,649,410 (13% more and even if you look at just Master Pistoleer it's still 5% more)

Skill Points Used: 217 (same)

Master BH

Exp Needed: 4,108,410 (12% less)

Skill Points Used: 217 (same)

Pistoleer pays a lot more when compared apples to apples.

2) Lethality - BH has Eye Shot and Torso Shot both of which are very deadly. They also have more accuracy while kneeling or prone and faster firing speed. Pistoleer has broken or useless (only a future patch will tell which) defense skill mods, and a special ability that targetsonly Health (BS3) that is worse than the precursor ability that BH's share (BS2). Pistoleers have a bunch of moves with fancy names that proved to be worthless after extensive testing. If the devs balance the two classes properly then Pistoleers might have an edge, but since they haven't we have to bring issues like this to their attention. Edge to BH.

3) Survivability - Roughly even. Even the BH correspondent has visited our forum to inform us that his test showed that defenses did nothing.

So BH pays less for more pistol ability. Pistoleers should have a noticeable edge with the pistol over any other profession. DO NOT NERF BH's. Just give them abilities that suit their trade without stepping on the toes of other professions.

You wont be getting support from me Uncle.

Anyone who talks about "Pwn"ing anyone needs to go back to CS where you can "Pwn" all you want.

Anyone who is truely good at PvP realizes that BH is no more powerful than anyone else, only that he is more offensively and less defensively based than everyone else.

And uncle, once the 75% damage thing goes live, you are going to get "Pwned" if you are expecing BH/pistoleer combo to save you.

You may actually have to use tactics, and other skills such as medic to survive.

Poor fella.

~Do not cross a man, with nothing left to lose.

~Honor until death - No fear.

Ex Bounty-Hunter

Well at least ya changed to a less painful color. Like I said, none of this will change anyone's minds Boba. You're numbers are skewed to the BH perspective, they could just as easily be sqewed the other way. Here's a small example...

Pistoleer master:
3,766,000 pistol xp
445,050 combat xp

Bounty Hunter Master:
1,200,00 pistol xp
70,050 combat xp

Who should be more proficient with the pistol given how much "practice" (as measured by experience) they have?

None of it matters though, pistoleers see the pistoleer side, BHs the BH side. It'll be up to the Devs to solve the riddle, and I don't see them discussing things with us much now-days.

Once your Defenses have been fixed, you will have nothing more to cry about.

I find it funny that you speak of how powerful torso shot and eyeshot are, yet you fail to mention how fan shot is 1 shot kill on everyone from what I have seen so far.

And with the stuff you listed, firstly, the BH doesnt cost less exp, and it takes about 2 to 3 times as much as our investigation line is insanely difficult to raise, and our LLC's are broken.

~Do not cross a man, with nothing left to lose.

~Honor until death - No fear.

Ex Bounty-Hunter

Look - The EXP shows different for BH pistol level 4, and Pistoleer master, and the pistoleer is ALOT better.

Read the numbers, this is factual evidence released by SoE.

You can NOT deny this and say its from the BH side, its from the game dev's side, now read it, and deal with it, its a fact that pistoleers have an advantage.

Even without your defenses, you havean advantage, once you get your defenses, you will REALLY have an advantage, and I bet most of you will still bitch and moan.

~Do not cross a man, with nothing left to lose.

~Honor until death - No fear.

Ex Bounty-Hunter

Who should be more proficient with the pistol given how much "practice" (as measured by experience) they have?

An olympic marksman "practices" alot with his particular weapon more than a Marine sniper does with his. Should he be more effective than a Marine at killing people ?