Pistoleer Archive
Thread: I don't understand why you guys keep saying the DE-10 sucks
_Paclya_
Fri Jun 11, 2004 4:02 am
#14
Rocacca wrote:
Hawaii5_o wrote:
Rocacca wrote:Quite honestly, it is the best PvE pistol we have. It has very high min damage (highest of any pistol we have) and very high max damage (higher than any krayt republic blaster when unkrayted) It also has light armor peircingSorry, but completely untrue. The damage on a Krayt Republic Blaster (also AP1) will be far greater than that of an "un-Krayted" DE-10. If both guns are made with Krayt tissue then the damage will be very similar. Basically, the DE-10 is an extremely rare, outrageously expensive, and disgustingly slow version of the Republic Blaster. You ripped yourself if you wasted 2 sets of nice tissues on these guns (unless you're planning on selling them for an ungodly profit to buy nice weapons hehe). The only way the DE-10 is better than the Republic is the looks. I'd take the RB or the DX2 any day.We're not complaining so much that the pistol sucks. We're saying that it sucks that instead of listening to the actual players the Devs went the lazy route and just gave us a Republic Blaster clone with crappy speed, when what we need is a good AP1 stun damage pistol.
Show me a republic blaster with 140-379 damage unsliced
without the speed, trying to compare those guns is stupid.
Javac
Fri Jun 11, 2004 6:26 am
#15
Hawaii5_o wrote:
Rocacca wrote:Quite honestly, it is the best PvE pistol we have. It has very high min damage (highest of any pistol we have) and very high max damage (higher than any krayt republic blaster when unkrayted) It also has light armor peircingSorry, but completely untrue. The damage on a Krayt Republic Blaster (also AP1) will be far greater than that of an "un-Krayted" DE-10. If both guns are made with Krayt tissue then the damage will be very similar. Basically, the DE-10 is an extremely rare, outrageously expensive, and disgustingly slow version of the Republic Blaster. You ripped yourself if you wasted 2 sets of nice tissues on these guns (unless you're planning on selling them for an ungodly profit to buy nice weapons hehe). The only way the DE-10 is better than the Republic is the looks. I'd take the RB or the DX2 any day.We're not complaining so much that the pistol sucks. We're saying that it sucks that instead of listening to the actual players the Devs went the lazy route and just gave us a Republic Blaster clone with crappy speed, when what we need is a good AP1 stun damage pistol.
Another Stun pistol? Don't need that any more than we need another Energy AP1. If it was Cold damage, or AP2, or both, then we'd be talkin.
Morath360
Fri Jun 11, 2004 6:50 am
#16
The DE-10 looks like a good Master Pistoleer/BH 0-0-4-3 weap. I would like to try one. For me, speed is a non issue. I do agree though without BH the speed makes this pretty unbearable for a straight master pistoleer.
I at least like to see some positve posting. These boards seem so negative.
Javac
Fri Jun 11, 2004 6:54 am
#17
Well the speed doesn't matter to me either, just seems like a TON of extra trouble for a few points of damage.
Morath360
Fri Jun 11, 2004 8:55 am
#18
Javac wrote:
Well the speed doesn't matter to me either, just seems like a TON of extra trouble for a few points of damage.
Well, maybe Javac you can help me with something. If we really can get one of these things closeto 500 dmg and it is true that ap1 goes through shields, then why wouldnt it be worth it. It would basically be stronger than a great dx2.
My question Im confused on is does ap1 go through shields. Originally I said no, but now im not so sure. My stun shield seems to only work well against the geo pistol and scout blasterwhich are ap0.
Thx..
Message Edited by Morath360 on 06-11-2004 08:56 AM
Javac
Fri Jun 11, 2004 10:06 am
#19
Not sure on the AP1 going through shields, but I highly doubt it. Looks like someone needs to run some tests using a republic.
SpunkyKuma
Fri Jun 11, 2004 12:28 pm
#20
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=carabineer&message.id=30515
That's a thread in the Carbineer forum explaining better to what Hawaii5_o's point was. Some people just want the highest damage stat weapon and not care about anything else like speed, accuracy or AP level.
That's a thread in the Carbineer forum explaining better to what Hawaii5_o's point was. Some people just want the highest damage stat weapon and not care about anything else like speed, accuracy or AP level.
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Deiouss
Fri Jun 11, 2004 12:33 pm
#21
Since when did the devs make the de-10 Ap0?
On corbantis two DE-10s were made that are 600+ max damage with powerups.
You guys must have some ridiculously bad weaponsmiths...
On corbantis two DE-10s were made that are 600+ max damage with powerups.
You guys must have some ridiculously bad weaponsmiths...
Datchery
Fri Jun 11, 2004 1:19 pm
#22
The DE-10 is balanced for AFTER the combat balance. Let's just pause a moment so that can sink in. It is the ONLY weapon in the game right now that is balanced for the CB. Thus there is no point in comparing it with your krayted Rep. Blasters. Furthermore, as RadonB our illustrious correspondant has warned us, the changes will be retroactive, so that wonderful blaster you're saving, it'll be altered to be as good as it is meant to be. Hence, arguing that the DE-10 sucks or is amazing is a huge waste of time, when we don't really know what the other weapons will be like. I do however think it's safe to assume that the DE-10 is going to be our best overall weapon in terms of stats (ignoring damage type), so it would be a good idea to note its speed (generally around 3.4) and its damage (around 100-300 base). This leads me to believe we're going to be getting a huge speed increase relative to the other professions.
Rocacca
Fri Jun 11, 2004 4:33 pm
#23
Hawaii5_o wrote:
Rocacca wrote:
Hawaii5_o wrote:
Rocacca wrote:
Quite honestly, it is the best PvE pistol we have. It has very high min damage (highest of any pistol we have) and very high max damage (higher than any krayt republic blaster when unkrayted) It also has light armor peircing
Sorry, but completely untrue. The damage on a Krayt Republic Blaster (also AP1) will be far greater than that of an "un-Krayted" DE-10. If both guns are made with Krayt tissue then the damage will be very similar. Basically, the DE-10 is an extremely rare, outrageously expensive, and disgustingly slow version of the Republic Blaster. You ripped yourself if you wasted 2 sets of nice tissues on these guns (unless you're planning on selling them for an ungodly profit to buy nice weapons hehe). The only way the DE-10 is better than the Republic is the looks. I'd take the RB or the DX2 any day.
We're not complaining so much that the pistol sucks. We're saying that it sucks that instead of listening to the actual players the Devs went the lazy route and just gave us a Republic Blaster clone with crappy speed, when what we need is a good AP1 stun damage pistol.
Show me a republic blaster with 140-379 damage unsliced
Haha, a Krayt RB would easily reach this max damage. Not sure about the min.
Show me a screenshot of a republic blaster with 379 max damage UNSLICED and I will make a character on your server and tip you 100 credits
JawaJoey2
Fri Jun 11, 2004 5:43 pm
#24
There are three reasons why people don't like the DE-10
1) Slow
2) AP1
3) Energy
That's it.
I do think 2 and/or 3 should be changed. AP1 energy is just so.... normal.... It's sad for a Master level weapon to have that.
But I don't really care, because of the single biggest point about the DE-10, which has already been stated. Can you guess what I'm talking about?
"The DE-10 is balanced for AFTER the combat balance. "
Yup. That's it. That's what's important here. Anyone who is all upset about this gun really needs to think about this. The gun is just a gun attached the DWB, that's the only reason it's out already. If it weren't, it wouldn't even be in the game until the combat balance. So basically, don't bother wanting this pistol to be uber until the CB.
Kevie
Fri Jun 11, 2004 6:13 pm
#25
Barbarossa86 wrote:
Ok Nikolai, i'm going to resist all out flamming you for being a noob. Just to let you know you can use that one schematic in a factory that will make more than one gun, so its not really that bad...
i'm going to be a total hypocrite like you and say i'm not going to flame youlike noob you are but then point out that you're wrong.
if you make a manufacturing schematic i will laugh at you- a lot. it requires a pistol barrel, which doesn't drop in multiples so no same serial numbers, no extra pistols.
Raptor2k1
Fri Jun 11, 2004 10:43 pm
#26
The complaints abouts stats is rather moot anyways since it's already balanced for post-CB SWG. Just think about this: The stats on all our other guns are only going to get worse, (for the most-part)while the DE-10 will remain the same.