Pistoleer Archive
Thread: So I played the NS Elder Lottery last night.....
Anoq
Fri Nov 19, 2004 12:35 pm
#14
Han_Solo_67 wrote:
educate me, what is an NS Elder lottery?
Its where you go out and spenda bunch of time killing elders and hope you get somethinguseful.
Rifle Crawl Speed +25 has the same probability as dropping as 2 H Speed +25 because for some reason the Devs don't see fit to remove broken stuff from the loot tables.
Anoq
Fri Nov 19, 2004 12:54 pm
#15
Not a pistoleer here. But I imagine if you capped dodge and stacked melee defenses its possible.
Han_Solo_67 wrote:
Ah gotchya, that leads me up to another good question, I am finally closing on my master Pistoleer goal, and hopefully will have it real soon. Are NS elders solo'able by us?
Milgram
Fri Nov 19, 2004 3:00 pm
#16
GedaTholit wrote:
Not true! Ok, well yeah, Pistoleers are never going to be good at soloing much, BUT its easy enough for a master pistoleer (the BH pistols line helps to) to easily take out a group of the easier NS with a powerfull gun and fanshot. Just remember run and dont stop shooting till they are ALL DEAD! (full buffs and the right food is also essential). Your chances of getting through this alive as a pistoleer are about average, it really helps if you have somebody to tank as we have no melee defense to speak of.
Fanshot while running away?!? Do NOT take this bad advice. As you fall back, you will pick up more and more stuff as you go. Soon, you will have half the monsters on dath following you.
IMO, elders are defenently not soloable for pistoleers. Pistol damage output is just not enough. Requirements (These are absolutely necessary, and non-negotiable) for taking out an elder are:
* Master Melee prof for Melee Mitigation III.This will also give you Intimidate from novice brawler. Elders MUST remain intimidated, or you will get et up.
* You MUST have is first aid II. Elders will hit you with bleeds for 400-600 and you need to get on them, or you will get taken out. I HIGHLY recomend a +16 Med shirt. You will go from taking off 105 from a bleed to taking 160.Getting the rest of the 25 from a bandoleeris a pretty good idea as well.
* 80% KeneticArmor minimum, but i recomend a high base, effectiveness sliced head and chest piece.
* Some way to deal with Dizzy/KD and stun. I personaly like high KD, Dizzy,Stun defences so that i don't get those states, but some folks prefer novice doc, and justget rid ofthe states when they occur. Either way, you must have some way of dealing with them or you will go to 0 on your back.
I don't think pistoleer, even a fencer/pistoleer maxed out defence template could do an elder. I have a Speedcapped Master Swordsman toon that i designed specifically for taking out elders solo. With the specialized template, i can take out 4 elders, and the 5th is always a close fight. This is because of battle fatigue. Once your battle fatigue gets over 500, your HAM will recharge much more slowly, and your stims will heal less. With a PH, i can take an elder down in 10 mins, but that is med penetration, and 300-700 damage. With a hopped up 175-500 puped DE-10 (yes, i know there are better out there, but the principle is exactly the same) you are still going to take forever to take down the health of an elder. 350k-400k Health is a lot to chew through. You are looking ata 30-40 min battle, so your fatigue will get to critical before you will be able to take down the elder.
IMO, you cannot do it by going toe to toe and dealing damage with a pistol. Feign/bleed will not work because all the other sisters will come running when you stand back up. Of course i don't have the patience to watch 1000 bleeds for 400 go by. I would love to be wrong however. If you can truely solo (toe to toe, no help from local wildlife or another player healing you ect.) a night sister using pistol power, you are truely the man. I would love to hear your story. I probably won't believe it, but i would love to hear it.
Now, having said that, i am sure you could use a kiteing technique to take one out. People do it with Dark Jedi all the time. Especially if you have fire from BH. When I'm not buffed, i take elders down to the prison and do them with lunge and fire/poison lances while they take out a couple of atst's. Lame but it works. Toe to Toe, however, is a whole different issue.
GedaTholit
Fri Nov 19, 2004 6:45 pm
#17
In case you hadn't noticed, Nightsisters are usually by themselves in the middle of nowhere, or at least they are whenever I come accross them. Im not suggesting all pistoleers should go out and kill NS - that would be insane. Im simply saying that if you do get into trouble, Fanshot is the only way you give yourself the chanceto get out alive considering you will not be able to outrun them.
And of course Elders are not soloable by pistoleers - we have no melee defense, not many people can solo elders, and even the ones that can, take quite a while to do it.
Message Edited by GedaTholit on 11-20-2004 01:45 AM
Anoq
Fri Nov 19, 2004 11:56 pm
#18
GedaTholit wrote:
And of course Elders are not soloable by pistoleers - we have no melee defense, not many people can solo elders, and even the ones that can, take quite a while to do it.
Actually I have solo'd Elders on TC2 with a pistol. Its tough but doable.
And also the 0040 line is an awesome defense line.
Anyhow, I came here to spread humor over a funny drop not flame. 
May the combat balance bless pistoleers and bring dual weilding quickly.
GedaTholit
Sat Nov 20, 2004 1:20 am
#19
Not true! Ok, well yeah, Pistoleers are never going to be good at soloing much, BUT its easy enough for a master pistoleer (the BH pistols line helps to) to easily take out a group of the easier NS with a powerfull gun and fanshot. Just remember run and dont stop shooting till they are ALL DEAD! (full buffs and the right food is also essential). Your chances of getting through this alive as a pistoleer are about average, it really helps if you have somebody to tank as we have no melee defense to speak of.
Jeterb
Sat Nov 20, 2004 9:25 am
#20
I've got Master Pistoleer, Fencer 0430, BH 0040 and stand close to no chance against an elder. Sure I can run around forever spamming an Elder but I takes an eternity. The best way is to find someone who can tank and heal him/herself while you spam away but that takes really long time too.
CM/Rifleman + Tank is probably one of the most effective teams for NS hunting.
CM/Rifleman + Tank is probably one of the most effective teams for NS hunting.
Milgram
Sun Nov 21, 2004 12:04 am
#21
Jeterb wrote:
I've got Master Pistoleer, Fencer 0430, BH 0040 and stand close to no chance against an elder. Sure I can run around forever spamming an Elder but I takes an eternity. The best way is to find someone who can tank and heal him/herself while you spam away but that takes really long time too.
CM/Rifleman +Swordsman/State Defenceis probably one of the most effective teams for NS hunting.
Totaly agree. I hunt a lot of night sisters, and ya, sometimes i find them alone, but usually if sisters are spawning, so is other stuff. Sisters are almost never truely alone. They spawn in groups of 5 usually. There are a lot of different combinations they spawn in, but it is almost always in groups of 5.
blacknebula
Sun Nov 21, 2004 12:10 am
#22
Yeah I dont have much luck with ns loot either, i think ive gotten somethng awesome and itll turn out to be +5 dancing bf healing ona weapon.
Everyl
Mon Nov 22, 2004 12:28 am
#23
Of course you can solo any nightsister. Unless you meat a spell weaver and you dont have novice commando or a good Striker (a good strike lol).
They are all easy. Elders just take alot of time.
Like someone said earlier, keep them intimidatedand stacked withyour DoTs:HS1 HS2 and torsoshot.
I wouldnt suggest fanshot either. Its easier to kill them seperatly, and fanshot doesnt deal enough dmg.
Eat some pie its your defense adavantage.
If your in trouble just fake that you die, they fall for it.
GedaTholit
Mon Nov 22, 2004 8:30 am
#24
Actually fanshot does do alot of damage, use the SWG Damage Calculator (this link is with my stats) http://killyourpc.org/swg/swg_dps.php?weapon_min=175&weapon_max=515&weapon_speed=3.9&pc_speed=129&class=Pistol
Like I said before on another thread, its great when somebody is tanking a group of NS. Dont run around rancor lairs using it like somebodythought I meant unless you want a swift death. The only time I would use it in this case is If there is no escape I might as well try to damage as many as possible (dont forget to state them all first if possible).
Message Edited by GedaTholit on 11-22-2004 03:32 PM
Everyl
Tue Nov 23, 2004 8:55 am
#25
Surefanshot does lots of dmg, it works well angaints mokks and jantas.
But we are talking about going solo against nightsisters, you wont kill them fat enough before they take you down.
when you fight 2 at the same time, its faster and much safer to kill one at a time using DoTs and either Health shot2 or last ditch.
If you fight 3 or more, just run away and either split them or dont fight them at all.Unless you dont mindspending alot of time faking that your dead that way.
Jaxin_Riens
Tue Nov 23, 2004 10:26 pm
#26
The key to soloing anything as a pistoleer is a very good de-10 and bounty hunter 0040, i soloed a dark jedi master by simply torso shotting and letting my 3k burn( yes its nice) and my 1k bleed tick him dead. when he was done i looted him adn bam exceptional peice of crap ee3 carbine with heavy weapons mods but it is simple to solo just burn and run and ocassionally burn some more. i did it unbuffed and without armor on using only food so the key is don't get hit
but it is simple to solo just burn and run and ocassionally burn some more. i did it unbuffed and without armor on using only food so the key is don't get hit