Pistoleer Archive
Thread: BH's Show their true colors
_Ghast_ wrote:
Please dont think that all of us BH's are that childish and immature. There is a very large percent of us that just wish that post would disappear, but alot of Pistoleers go into our forum, see that thread and get pissed. I dont blame them. It is in bad taste.
Yes it could and probably is some BH's dabbling in Pistoleer for the spped/accuracy and.......ummmm...defense mods. The problem does hurt the BH's that would like to go to master.
We don't blame the pistoleers, you guys have plenty that is broke too. Perhaps if they didn't allow the skill mods to stack it would better. I don't really know how to fix it.
But please rest assured.......That is NOT the sentiment of the majority of BH's. Just a couple of fools...and every profession has a couple of fools that make terrible posts like that.
Maybe one day the Bh's and Pistoleers will work with each other to try and make the game better for all.
Then again....thats a tall order, but not impossible.
Ghast-Chilastra
BH-2/4/4/4
Ghast, I agree. There are very many Bounty Hunters whose input I find helpful, and who I respect very much.And you're right - every profession has a couple of fools.
Unfortunately, one of the biggest BH fools is your correspondent, who has started a campaign to steal other professions' skills and nerf everything to be lesser than Bounty Hunters.
Now regardless of how the balance of power should hang, the fact is that Wepps wages his campaigns in such a rude, destructiveway that even if he occasionally makes a reasonable post, the ones everyone remembers are the ones where he just goes crazy, makes wild claims, or just starts flaming people. It has happened on several forums, and Wepps has been warned by the Devs and Mods for his unconstructive behavior. I don't know about you, but my impression is that if the Devs have to warn a correspondent for behaving in an immature, rude way, they are probably not going to take his input as seriously as someone who levels with them in a calm, reasonable manner. And warn him they have.
The Bounty Hunter correspondent may be one of the biggest obstacles to the development of your profession. Other professions that are far less popular have received pretty good Dev attention lately, and those professions happen to have respectful, constructive correspondents who don't wage nerf campaigns or spread misinformation to the community. Is there a connection? I think so.
Look people it does not matter the DEVS don't care for our input anyway, so why are we arguing over this pistoleers have worn the Novice BH tag a lot, I personally know some who wore the Master Bounty Hunter tag before the name exploit was fixed. So who cares what's in the BH forum it's our forum to talk about what we want to talk about, I haven't seen any changes come from any of these numerous nerf posts on various boards so why is everyone freaking out? Just play the game and the DEVS will sort our classes out as they see fit, trust me they won't do it because Wepps told them to.
Yeah, there is immaturity in both forums, and while I have the utmost respect for anyone who makes it to BH, I recently made (BH 3.4.4.4) and then dropped it because I was having more fun as a ranger, so I picked up pistoleer.
BH is a broken profession, Pistoleer is a broken profession, Ranger is a broken profession...there is a pattern emerging
However, with posts like Ghast and Bergalad, I am happy to say that there are cooler heads in the group, and while there will always be those who shout to nerf the other professions, they amount to the type of person who belittles another to make themself feel better.
I read the BH forums and the Pistoleer forums and here are my suggestions
1) SWG is about dabbling, find your play style and have fun, if you dont have fun, stop playing...dont ruin my fun or anyone elses with your finger pointing
2) Concentrate on how to make your class unique and fitting within the SWG universe. Pistoleers should have perks and power as do BH's. If you have a complaint, come up with a solution...dont gripe just to gripe.
3) If all you want is to cut a swath of human destruction across the galaxy, then cool...do that...if you have fun.
4) The cries to nerf others only appears as childish and counterproductive, do you think that a dev would rather listen to a gripe or a constructive comment?
5) The game changes, patches are added, nerf happens, BIG DEAL, suck it up, drive on, adapt and overcome, change your tactics to suit the changes.
6) Did I mention to have fun?
7) There are a lot of classes who need a lot of love, and the BH-Pistoleer fight is not going to get solved in a month or two. The only way it is going to get solved is by people like Ghast and Bergalad, and a number of other people with level heads focusing on a solution and not beating the dead horse.
I am now putting my flame suit on and dismounting my soap box
To this I can only say 'Where's the love y'all?'
Now, Pistoleers being so broken, most of us are grabbing BH Pistol Line to enhance our skills, our lack of efficient moves isn't to prove anymore. But the reverse effect is now pure BH being angry about this enhancement for Pistoleers.
Who's to blame ? Designers of course, that keep on making dabblers much more powerfull than pure prof persons. Calling for nerf on any1 will just make things worse, no1 is willing that.
Problem is still the same : you can be very efficient with a pistol with Master Pistoler + BH Pistol line, because mods stack.
There is even a more frustrating fact with mods, TKA and Pistoleers defense skills able to stack despite you use unarmed or pistols...even with a Rifle, those mods are still active. These are passive mods you get and that don't check the weapon you are using. Maybe something should be done here but try to KD or even hit a Master Pistoleer / Master TKA and whine about everything you want : they are almost impossible to hit, it becomes just stupid when you try to KD.
This thread is trolling, whatever you think it is trolling. BH Forum's one is just a shame, despite anything they could argue. The solution isn't to look at others's skills imho, it is asking for mods to chack what weapon you are using. Btw, Scatter is a pistol, true one, so some Pistoleer and BH mods should stack (the skill point cost easily justify this) but many mods should NEVER stack or being capped.
i am a BH...2 4 4 0 at the moment (also Nov Carbineer box, 1 1 4 4 Medic)...i don't hate you guys, i don't want to see BH 4/Master Pistoleers nerfed, i don't care if there are people out there doing DF 4, BH Pistol 4, and picking up Nov Medic...
i actually LIKE dabbling. sure,my goal is to become a Master BH...but...to me, being able to dabble is what differentiates one person from the next. creating a personalized template--even if it's one that thousands of others are using--is one of the aspects of this game i enjoy *most*.
from where i sit, here is what i think of the BH Profession: it's fine. fix Investigation, throw us an extra +10 ranged def or something...a partial def vs KD, i don't know..*some* defensive mods...but really, i can even live without def mods as long as they fix investigation. i even support the move of /eyeshot to Master BH, though that's mostly because i'm tired of the debate, and have thrown in the towel (i never used it much, anyways)
as for Pistoleer...well...you guys are getting shanked right now. no viable AP option for pistoleer..that sucks. SR Combat is a joke. DX2 ap still broken, i believe? FWG5 wasn't *that* uber--i viewed it as just doing more high end dmg to compensate for lack of AP. personally, i have an 83-344, 1.3 FWG5, and i barely use the thing in PvP, just for the lack of AP.
additionally, you are 2 special moves short of ending 'problematic' dabbling, anyways. Pistoleer needs a ranged knockdown...one that works *outside* of 8m. also, a Damage + DoT would be very nice--throw those two into the Marksmanship tree, and you're looking pretty good.
all this garbage with BH and Pistoleers going back and forth and throwing accusations is BS. i do *not* believe that every BH is a megalomaniacal baby, and i would no sooner assume that all of you Pistoleers were whining Chefs who were upset that they couldn't kill us with a sautee pan in PvP.
the reallity is that a lot of people get stuck viewing things from their own perspective, and fail to see things the way they really are. "The grass is always greener on the other side", right?
/sigh
GROUP HUG!!!
There are idiots on both forums, I remember reading some idiotic posts regarding BH on pistoleer forums as well in the past.
I have also taken it upon myself to respond to just about every "...Pistoleer... dabble..." posts on our forums, as I don't think they are constructive, and I don't think they even apply anymore as PvP template has moved from BH Pistol/Pistoleer to Commando to Pistoleer/Smuggler/Tera Kasi.
We (the BHs)should concentrate on fixing our bugs, and reducing the HAM costs on carbine moves, and basically make BH an enjoyable profession and most feel that way. I belive the majority of Pistoleers feel the same way about their profession (less carbine HMA cost ).
One last thing, I do wear the Novice Gunfighter tag most of the time in PvP, but that is so I won't be targeted right away, rather then trying to get anyone nerfed .
I dont care if you dabble in my profession..Pistoleer but it should not stack in the BH profession simple as that they dont need it to be fun or effective.
If SOE is too lazy or incomptent to make complete professions and some professionsrequire Dabbling to be effective and fun ok but those that dont need it ( BHs) are really mesing up pvp for others.
BH skills should not stack with Pistoleer skills simple as that
Leva Oripa
Master Pistoleer -Flurry
Alistea wrote:
What I don't understand is why the devs don't get rid of the current BH correspondant if he behaves like that...
What are you talking about ... the only thing he said was lol ... that could have been laughing at how stupid some people are to get somad about agame.