Pistoleer Archive

You get a substantial dmg bonus the better your accuracy is. Although it seems to be a consensus teh marksmanship tree (the on in the pistoller profession) is pretty much usless if your hitting things most of the time.

Am I wrong?

Thoughts?

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BreckMaladar wrote:

....if your hitting things most of the time.

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Now that they've fixed the range modifers on weapons, I'm finding I'm not hitting all the time anymore

From 15 meters and in sure, but out at 40-60 meters I miss a ton with 2 boxes in the marksman tree. So I wouldn't call the marksman line useless now.

are you sure about a damage bonus based on accuracy? I'm doubtful.

My damage output for shots still falls within the range of the weapon if I'm not using specials. I don't have any of the marksmanship line, but I do have what I got out of being a marksman.

Actually, I have been asking for a bump in our accuracy. People just keep on telling me that It's still to early for me to ask for that because we don't know how much of a difference accuracy is. Right now I'm sitting on enough exp to either get my next branch in stands and gripsor try getting accuracy. I'm leaning into accuracy but I do not know how to test the accuracy from before and after aquiring the skill. And I don't think the log reader that works for DPS with EQ will work on SWG. If someone knows a good way to test the miss's and hits I'll run the test. I know someone else on here said they were gonna do that, but I can't remember which thread it was on

I have noticed the damage increase with accuracy also. Not that most people care or will take the time to test it.

Why would you suggest we push for more accuracy? Are we lacking the ability to PvP and PvE well? I don't see that right now. You can get more accuracy through aiming, skill tapes, stances, and the bounty hunter line if you really like the idea of having even higher accuracy.

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Jaegen88 wrote:
Why would you suggest we push for more accuracy? Are we lacking the ability to PvP and PvE well? I don't see that right now. You can get more accuracy through aiming, skill tapes, stances, and the bounty hunter line if you really like the idea of having even higher accuracy.

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Because as an Elitepistol user, I should have the ability to shoot a pistol more accurately then someone who is not an Elite in that field. Like I have said in the past, I can see where someone who is not an elite user of a weapon being faster, the fast draw, I cannot see them as being more accurate, I'm sorry. I can shoot a handgun better then my uncle, but I can never seem to shoot as good as him when he takes me skeet shooting with his shotgun. I hope you understand what I mean because I do not wish for another war on this I'm just trying to make a point is all.

Umm, I don't mean a war with you, or a war on this subject, I just don't want this subject to end up like the last one I got into.

I bounty hunter goes through their own pistol mastery training, the argument is moot. Recall,it even says "akin to a true gunslinger", at BH pistol3. And they have 2 more boxes to go.

It's a different path to pistol "mastery", more costly, more focused on speed/accuracy/offense, whereas pistoleer has speed/accuracy/offense/defense/melee/aoe attacks/knockdowns

You DO have more accuracy aiming, moving, standing. I'd take ONLY more accuracy moving over aiming/standing/kneeling AND prone if you ask me..but in any case, you have more accuracy in those stances/conditions.

But that's a moot point, BH pistol 4 costs more, and gives less, plainly. Right now a master pistoleerfares verywell vsa BH pistol4 user if you know what you're doing.Once KD is fixed, they should be competitive. However, BH will retain the advantage of having a much easier time taking down opponents that can heal via eyeshot, which is fitting maybe, since they are trained in finding weakness and exploiting them.

Is missing really a problem? I haven't noticed.

Missing is a problem. especially when I can go with 4 to 6 shots in a row all missing while in Prone. Aren't you suppose to be most accurate while in prone?I'm not talking about PvP either, as I have stated on other threads, I hate PvP, and I personally believe that PvP is KILLING the game for all of us PvE players. It takes me twice as long to take down the animals I use to hunt for exp because of the horrible accuracy. The Accuracy that was in place when you mastered pistoleer is no longer in place, we miss now more then we hit. Example: Crawl up to a bolle bol till they stand up because they noticed you (normally 63m) Bleed2 = miss, bleed 1 = miss, bleed 2 =hit, bleed 1 miss, get up and start running for your life, panic shot = no effect/miss, panic shot = no effect/miss, snare trap = no effect, panic shot = works/hit, peace. yea, I'm suprised I haven't encaped myself from all of that missing! and I still have to run after him and try to land bleed 1 and a snare trap so I can finish him off with regular shots at 20m and pray i can time the next trap off correctly or he'll make me look like roadkill because of how close I need to get. Yes, Accuracy play's a large factor. Since after the patch it also seems all the animals are more resistance to the panic shot which makes it even more difficult.Meanwhile I have this BH running past me laughing at me and starts to attack even after I tell him to leave it alone and he's at further range kneeling and hitting more then me in prone position at the same range (yes, still pissed of about that happening to me last night, jerk KSed everything I pulled and wouldn't stop, was like a joke for him!).

I hate to rant like this but it annoy's me. I have nothing against you jaegen, I like you and you try to help our profession and you have my vote for correspondent if we can reelect you. But I'm trying to climb up the ladder and I'm trying to point things out in PvE, not PvP, and the PvP aspect keeps on screwing it up for us in PvE. I have title of hunter, how can I be a hunter when a bounty hunter is outdamaging me on my own big game pull, not only outdamaging me, but he's actually hitting the target more then I am with my same weapon at a greater distance. I cannot see why I miss more then they do, I can't figure it out. I'm using a pistol and he's using a pistol and it's ok with you if he can hit the target more times at any given range? I have failed to see how I can have more accuracy when I'm plainly seeing my miss's compaired to his hits at a further range then I am. I'm about ready tostart ranger because of the chances to hitanimals because I'm desperate for better accuracy, this is ridiculous.

You're complaining because you were missing at 63m? Our pistols are intended as a medium to close range weapon. I have no problems hitting when I am 40m or so away, but yes I have noticed I miss more when out at 63m. I have also noticed that even prone at 63m my to hit is -50. Moving in it substantially increases. The opposite holds true for rifleman. At 63m they have great accuracy still but if you close to pistol range they are the ones with -50 to hit. I don't think we should ever expect to be able to hit anything at any range all the time. It used to be that way, but they fixed the weapon range modifiers so that you have an actual distinction amongst weapons now.

Frankly, I haven't really seen much of an accuracy problem at any range. I use an FWG5 and a Scout. Misses at extreme range for a pistol are to be expected anyway as that's one of the balancing limitations for the weapon style. That said, I still haven't seen a huge increase in misses at 60+ meters and I've only got Grips and Stances 1 trained so far.

jaegan

i cant fathom why a master pistoleer isnt the best at everything with the pistol. there should be no circumstrance where a bh has more speed/accuracy with his pistol. just the amount of exp we have to learn in pistol compared to the bh in pistolis staggering. while us pistoleers dont get the option of using a carbine or a rifle to the same extent.