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Thread: Master Pistoleer vs. Nightsuster Elder: Ouch! Need help...

JinookPhi
Wed Mar 17, 2004 10:40 am
#1



Currently I am a Master Pistoleer, a fencer (0-4-3-3), with the entire dirty fighting line and a Novice Medic. When done, I will be a Master Pistoleer, Master Fencer, TKA (0-2-0-0) and Novice Medic. I always buy the best equipment, power-ups, food buffs, medical buffs and armor.


I rarely PvP. My thing is quests and goodies, and wanting to be able to solo some uber monsters. I also like being a reb, and running those missions. I am able to take on between 4-7 10-12k HAM mosnters at once and do well. Even post patch, I lay Stormies to waste in mass. Yet Dathomir is still kicking my butt with certain monsters. I went one on one with a Nightsister Elder becuase I need good skill ribbons and armor attachments. She had 24k ham,with mondo protection, and was a melee monster. Folks, I laid in no less than 20-25 Stopping Shots and 10-20 Last Ditch Shots, blending into it a nice mixture of Panic and Low Down with literally NO RESULTS! I rifled through every Uber pistol I had, and nada! As a Master Pistoleer, should I not be able to kill a 24k HAM Nightsister? I ran around and around, and my only hope was when she got tangled up with a Kwi. Even with the Kwi and all my work, only 5000 damage was done. I had mondo buffs A-Z. Grrrrrrrrrr


Questions:


*What am I not getting?

*Even though my Fencer skills are well below Master Pistoleer skills, should I have gone to my 1h weapon?

*Any ideas on places to hunt to get really good ribbons and attachments?


Thanks!


Jinook Phi




Jinook Phi - Jedi Knight (Level 80)
Sir Jakan Ridgehorn - Bounty Hunter (Level 38)
Past Masteries in TK, Sword, Fencing, Brawler, Pistoleer &Medic

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Magnite
Wed Mar 17, 2004 10:55 am
#2

A nightsister elder is on par with a dark jedi master and a giant canyon crayt. THEY SHOULD NOT BE SOLOABLE.



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JinookPhi
Wed Mar 17, 2004 10:59 am
#3






JinookPhi wrote:



Currently I am a Master Pistoleer, a fencer (0-4-3-3), with the entire dirty fighting line and a Novice Medic. When done, I will be a Master Pistoleer, Master Fencer, TKA (0-2-0-0) and Novice Medic. I always buy the best equipment, power-ups, food buffs, medical buffs and armor.


I rarely PvP. My thing is quests and goodies, and wanting to be able to solo some uber monsters. I also like being a reb, and running those missions. I am able to take on between 4-7 10-12k HAM mosnters at once and do well. Even post patch, I lay Stormies to waste in mass. Yet Dathomir is still kicking my butt with certain monsters. I went one on one with a Nightsister Elder becuase I need good skill ribbons and armor attachments. She had 24k ham,with mondo protection, and was a melee monster. Folks, I laid in no less than 20-25 Stopping Shots and 10-20 Last Ditch Shots, blending into it a nice mixture of Panic and Low Down with literally NO RESULTS! I rifled through every Uber pistol I had, and nada! As a Master Pistoleer, should I not be able to kill a 24k HAM Nightsister? I ran around and around, and my only hope was when she got tangled up with a Kwi. Even with the Kwi and all my work, only 5000 damage was done. I had mondo buffs A-Z. Grrrrrrrrrr


Questions:


*What am I not getting?

*Even though my Fencer skills are well below Master Pistoleer skills, should I have gone to my 1h weapon?

*Any ideas on places to hunt to get really good ribbons and attachments?


Thanks!


Jinook Phi







The Elder I had was no where near Dark Jedi (which average 150k Ham to 300k HAM from what I have seen). Like I said, she only had a total health ham of 24k. So a player with my skills (noted in the original post) can not handle a health ham of 24k? Maybe her total HAM was what as Uber. ?







Jinook Phi - Jedi Knight (Level 80)
Sir Jakan Ridgehorn - Bounty Hunter (Level 38)
Past Masteries in TK, Sword, Fencing, Brawler, Pistoleer &Medic

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Delta-V
Wed Mar 17, 2004 11:10 am
#4

Ok, first of all, IIRC, the Nightsister Elder has 360k HAM, not 24k. She's also got heavy armor and 100% resists to Kinetic, Stun, Heat, and Acid. Only your energy pistols would have much effect on her (25% energy resists), and even then you're still hamstrung by the AP1 vs heavy armor damage reduction. Fencer only has one AP1 weapon (which is nearly worthless), and only stun and kinetic damage, so you could have flailed away all day and hardly scratched her.


She is not to be trifled with...



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JinookPhi
Wed Mar 17, 2004 11:52 am
#5

LOL


Wow, from you guys have written... it was an accomplishment just to stay alive 10 minutes. Thanks for the info, it helps me not be as frustrated.


So what do you suggest hunting for Uber skill tapes and attachements?


Also, how is HAM calculated? Is all nine pools in total?


Thanks. I will not be "triffling" with monsters of that caliber in th future. Oopsie!






Jinook Phi - Jedi Knight (Level 80)
Sir Jakan Ridgehorn - Bounty Hunter (Level 38)
Past Masteries in TK, Sword, Fencing, Brawler, Pistoleer &Medic

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Aladine
Wed Mar 17, 2004 2:23 pm
#6

Well, try getting up to TKM if you want to be a solo force to be reckoned with. I picked up TKA on my grind to master smug/pistoleer/tka when i was halfway through smuggler and pistoleer (I needed a break from pistol xp) and I liked it so much I PLed that to master first. With buffs and good armor (85% base composite) I can mow through just about anything I want to on Dath. I can solo enraged rancor lairs in about 90-120 seconds, and nightsisters drop like flies even with thier 45% resist to kinetic. I have become my guild tailor's favorite person lately as I have spent alot of time wandering around Dath.


Last time I checked however, a nightsister elder (or at least the one at the battleground) had like 300k HAM...that is just not soloable. or at least not without exploited gear.





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Junsa
Wed Mar 17, 2004 4:38 pm
#7

best way to take one down, go back up there again with a master carbineer, get them to spam that oh so wonderful kd over n over while u pummel away on it.....


but yeah they aint 24k ham, well up in the 350k ish bracket, definatly not one to take on alone.



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MarauderStrJckr
Wed Mar 17, 2004 6:28 pm
#8

Heres how to solo it: get master rifleman and take cover then use conceal shot a million times for like 10 minutes with your t21, or get it stuck on a wall like all the other 1337's do it.



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Ametrand
Wed Mar 17, 2004 6:38 pm
#9

It probably had a really high effectiveness to the gun you were using- many monsters have 100% effective to like blast and stuff- i always keep my modified fwg5 (heat) mod repub blaster (blast/energy?) and of course a crafted geonosian blaster


The stun usually kicks some serouis butt


I believe there is an acid pistol also if you wanna be safe- always /examine the target for weaknesses if you can for your ease


also keep in mind that accuracy plays importance, and that i usually score twice as much damage when my opponent is knockdown than with out


good luck to you!


Delta-V
Thu Mar 18, 2004 9:23 am
#10






JinookPhi wrote:

LOL


Wow, from you guys have written... it was an accomplishment just to stay alive 10 minutes. Thanks for the info, it helps me not be as frustrated.


So what do you suggest hunting for Uber skill tapes and attachements?


Also, how is HAM calculated? Is all nine pools in total?


Thanks. I will not be "triffling" with monsters of that caliber in th future. Oopsie!




I think the 320k HAM means she has 320k points in EACH of the 3 main pools. I fought one last night, but forgot to look. It's either that or 320k total of the 3 main pools.


As of this patch, the Nightsisters are ALOT easier to kill. They've been deprived of their force powers. 3 of us managed to kill her after a long fight. She used nothing but TKA moves on us, which made it much easier (80% kinetic composite be praised!).


FWIW, now that the fencer defenses don't stack with pistoleer, I think the fencer/pistoleer combo isn't so great. Fencer only has 2 damage types, both of which are already available to the pistoleer. A swordsmanhas blast damage with the AP2 power hammer to use against the Elder, which proved highly effective.





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Vangreal
Thu Mar 18, 2004 9:53 am
#11

Ouch, I remember her. She's a nasty one I see a few of us have encountered. Kinda funny though, you solo to her, and then she rip's you a new one, hard. But they removed all nightsister force powers? can someone confirm that?




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Magnite
Thu Mar 18, 2004 2:03 pm
#12

I think it is bugged, but yes nightsisters are missing all their force powers. I went to the Forced Labour camp yesterday and brutally slaughtered everything there without ever going below 1k ham (buffed offcourse). The elder is tricky but you just need to keep putting bleeds and use any dot pistols you have. Also im a master tka and i seem to have a weird bug where i can sometimes bypass all defences, eg i can still land 2k hits even though the elder is 100 percent kinetic resist and has heavy armor.



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JinookPhi
Thu Mar 18, 2004 3:34 pm
#13

Everyone has great feedback. I did a lot of leveling when I first started SWG, chasing the latest fad. I was well up 2H when it sucked. So, I made the decision to just do what I like. Which will end up being Master Pistoleer (which I already have), Master Fencer (which I am 0-4-2-3), TKA (0-1-0-4), Smuggler for feigned death (0-0-1-0) and Novice Medic. My melee defense will then be +172, with my ranged defense at about +122. Combat equilibrium will be at +50 with my defense acuity at +56. I will miss my Low Down shot and Panic Shot, but with the nerfs, they are less powerful anyways. Still good. But this template allows me to do what I like, with good def mods. Even my base mods (except intimidate) are all 70-80+, several at +100 with my bio clothes and attachments. With time, I think Pistoleer in particular will get long over due adjustments to make it more Uber. Fencer may take longer, but already is kicking butt in some major ways.


Thanks again for the feedback!





Jinook Phi - Jedi Knight (Level 80)
Sir Jakan Ridgehorn - Bounty Hunter (Level 38)
Past Masteries in TK, Sword, Fencing, Brawler, Pistoleer &Medic

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