Pistoleer Archive

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RenKesson wrote:

Dual Wielding should not be another "I win" effect. As with any WELL DESIGNED system, it should be balanced to its level and benefit with appropriate disadvantages. Those of us who have been pushing for dual wielding abilities want it because it provides another play style, not because we want it to be a superior play style. There are advantages to dual wielding, and there are appropriate, logical disadvantages.

While a Master Pistoleer should be able to wield two pistols better than a novice, he shouldn't be immune to the inherent accuracy disadvantages when firing two pistols. Most pistol-wielders use one hand to couch their weapon, and without that your accuracy decreases. Firing a single pistol without that couching makes you less accurate -- a deficiency that can be overcome with training, which is what's represented by increasing your Pistol Accuracy mod -- and firing two pistols simultaneously causes you to fire less accurately.

A Master Pistoleer firing two Pistols should still be more accurate with those two than a Novice Pistoleer with just one, but a Master Pistoleer firing two pistols would logically be less accuracte -- and therefore hit less frequently -- than a Master Pistoleer firing with just one pistol. In this example, the two combatants' inherent abilities are balanced (one sacrifices accuracy and hit frequency for damage per hit, while the other sacrifices damage output for more frequent hits). It's like switching between Dual- and Quad-Lasers on your X-wing in XvT.

In short, even a Master Pistoleer should suffer the accuracy penalties of wielding two weapons. That's how the Developers are planning to implement the ability (to my understanding), and that should not be changed.

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JediMizzaster wrote:

I'm making this thread because I don't want the post to get lost in the thread already made for this...

After the CURB, we will have separate pools similar to our HAM bars that we drain when we use a special, so buffs will no longer affect HAM costs on specials. I believe that the damage output should remain the same as it is, but that's for each individual pistol. Also, because you're using 2 pistols, you will attack considerably faster.

However, this would be at the trade off of a much higher draining rate on the new "specials" pool. Basically, you hit harder and faster at the cost of sapping your ability to use specials much faster. There shouldn't be any penalties other than this beucase you're using 2 pistols, the whole point of which is to be better.

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actually, without revealing anything under the NDA, i can tell you that you've misconstrued something
the "specials" pools will not be seperate, it's just that you will no longer take any damage from specials

eg. you have 100 action, therefore, you have 100 "action special points" and you use a special that costs 10 points
you still have 100 action, and 100 more damage before you're incapped, but you only have 90 points left to use for specials
say you then take 20 damage from what you're fighting... of the 100, you now have 80 points left until you're incapped, and only 70 usable for specials

hope that makes sense, just keep in mind this is all subject to still change during the CURB testing phase

in regards to having the specials drain as the only penalty... it doesn't fly.... the point of dual wield will be such that there will be a benefit of using dual wield over one pistol in certain situations and in other situations, using one pistol would be better
one of the suggestions was to have a range cap while using dual wield (like 32m) which i honestly agree with
doesn't fit the logistics of it, but honestly, how often do we fight outside of 64m besides the first few seconds of battle before the mob closes in? our ideal range is 20m anyway

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Orew wrote:

not to be sarcastic or anything... but i can't believe that there are some people still talking about dual wielding

can you imagine how ridiculous we will look with one pistol in each hand?! like in a stupid 1950 western?

besides, i don't remember anything in the star wars universe that can be related to dual wielding - however remotely

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(Dont mean to cause offence by quoting you)

Message Edited by CyborgUk on 01-03-2005 10:31 PM

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ForeverChange wrote:

I agree alot with what is said above. So here are my two cents as well.

The fact that we would be able to weild 2 weapons could allow us to do 2 different types of damage. This could be a pretty big advantage. We would in essence be the only prof that would allow the use of two different types simultaneously. So I think there should be somesort of accuracy lowering, or even a make firing slower

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in all honesty... what does this really provide?

if someone has a vulnerability to stun and really high resists in everything else, it would stupid to use anything but a stun weapon
it sounds good at first, but when you look closely, it doesn't hold water as being an "advantage"

I always thought westerns were cool...