Pistoleer Archive
Thread: A meditiation on Mastery
i've been arguing with a TKA about pistoleer for awhile. he seems to think it requires more skill and discipline to do martial arts than it does to be a pistoleer. that pistoleers hide behing technology while he faces it head-on (i'm assuming VKs and composite armor are not technology)...
if this is the attitude of the community as a whole, dont expect any fixes ever 
BigLands wrote:
So my question is, my fellow pistoleers, what can be done to make mastery more meaningful?
(DISCLAIMER : At no point can the words dual/duel wield be used!)
I had thought a new weapon cert at master (maybe even the scatter pistol or launcher pistol or a variant?)
BZebub wrote:i've been arguing with a TKA about pistoleer for awhile. he seems to think it requires more skill and discipline to do martial arts than it does to be a pistoleer. that pistoleers hide behing technology while he faces it head-on (i'm assuming VKs and composite armor are not technology)...
A naked TKA without VK's stands a better chance of living then a naked pistoleer with a gun in his hands assuming no other skills involved. One of them gets center of being which significantly adds to defensive rolls in addition to a straight out 57% melee damage reduction (not kinetic, melee) right off the bat and the ability to self-buff.
In terms of skills, TKA is generally more complex play compared to pistoleer. Pistoleer combat amounts to bleeds and shot dps.
TKA contents with intimidate, warcry, stuns, blinds, dizzy, posture changes, knockdowns, health pool targeting hits, action pool targeting hits, and mind pool targeting hits. A well skilled TKA player can tune combat sequences for the opponents' weaknesses.
As a Pistoleer/TKA I use my guns at range only as long as it takes for me to close in and break out the kung-fu. The pistols are pretty useless these days. It's been an overwhelming disappointment.
Indeed. It goes beyond simple damage output and defense. We simply don't have anything to do. Pick your best special, and spam it.
Comparing reality to a game is a lousy way to justify how powerful a profession should be. They should be equal, but different. Everybody has an right to have fun. We could just as easily say to brawlers "Don't bring a knife to a gun fight" (in fact, we have) and they wouldn't like it either.
I'm working on making us both more effective and more interesting to play.
biwan:double post. The higher ups are aware of the forum technical difficulties since they went public again, and are working on it.
Message Edited by Randonb on 03-23-2004 06:15 PM
"Comparing reality to a game is a lousy way to justify how powerful a profession should be. They should be equal, but different. Everybody has an right to have fun. We could just as easily say to brawlers "Don't bring a knife to a gun fight" (in fact, we have) and they wouldn't like it either."
We defintely do need to make the profession more interesting to play.
But as far as the part of the message i quoted, "Don't bring a knife to a gun fight" should always apply, any ranged profession should beat the hell out of melee professions at range, just as any melee profession should beat the hell out of ranged professionsin close quarters, thats the only equality that should apply when compairing the apples and oranges which is ranged vrs melee combat. in that way... we are in fact equal but different.
It has nothing to do with reality, it has everything to do with believeability..i can't believe that any karate expert can doge bullets from a marksmen shooting at him 210 ft away long enough to land a punch or kick, anymore then i can believe a pistoleer can pistol whip a three story walking tank to the ground. things like that happen becuase of a poorly thoughtout and implimented rule system. which is not only an insult to the player base intelligence, but also an insult to the world which Mr. Lucas created. Let's not forget this is Science fiction/fantasy. and Scientific facts and theories which relate to the world of Star Wars should be applied, and the laws of Physicsdo apply to this realm.. all you have to do is watch the movies to see for yourself. there is no reason to dumb down a game to make it fun.