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I think armor is way underpowered in general. For the mass shields protect much better.

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Ralen-Sharr wrote:

I was thinking if they could mitigate the damage to player armor ONLY then it might work, you could still rip the shields down faster than whats feesable for shunting, but the armor would take a little pounding, giving the heavy fighters with massive amounts of firepower and mass a little advantage, they can carry huge amounts of armor so they can actually take damage, and POB's could stand up to a group of players and the armor would soak up huge amounts of damage. Might need to mitigate the damage after the armor is gone too to slow component/chassis damage.

Whats everyone think of this?

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I've flown a JSF with link lvl 7 RE's, Pnet sheild lvl 10 engine and 2k front 1.3k rear armor and had bout 3k mass left for CM's had I wanted to PvP with that set up.

let's just make the light fighters even better by doing this, no thanks

note - not intended as a flame more a counterargument typed in limited time

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IL-Vec wrote:

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Ralen-Sharr wrote:

I was thinking if they could mitigate the damage to player armor ONLY then it might work, you could still rip the shields down faster than whats feesable for shunting, but the armor would take a little pounding, giving the heavy fighters with massive amounts of firepower and mass a little advantage, they can carry huge amounts of armor so they can actually take damage, and POB's could stand up to a group of players and the armor would soak up huge amounts of damage. Might need to mitigate the damage after the armor is gone too to slow component/chassis damage.

Whats everyone think of this?

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I've flown a JSF with link lvl 7 RE's, Pnet sheild lvl 10 engine and 2k front 1.3k rear armor and had bout 3k mass left for CM's had I wanted to PvP with that set up.

let's just make the light fighters even better by doing this, no thanks

note - not intended as a flame more a counterargument typed in limited time

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/agree

any kind of damage mitigation would have to be chassis specific

Chassis-specific damage mitigation might work. It'd just be a matter of deciding what's "fair" for what class of ships, and how to classify certain ships. Like, is the Oppressor a heavy fighter? A bomber? Space superiority?

Creating roles for bombers and heavy fighters in PVP (and, to a degree, PVE, where heavy fighters are fine for tearing through NPCs, but bombers don't really have much going for them) is one of our long-standing issues. POBs are looking like they'll finally have a place in space, though, so we might see changes for heavy fighters and bombers some day.

I always thought the easiest way to implement chassis specific damage mitigation would be to make said mitigation proportional to the hitbox volume. The tricky part would be in figuring out what the maximum mitigation would be, and I wouldn't dream of trying to do something like that until WO3 gets fixed and damage won't be as shuntable.

I can't really think of a ship that would get shafted that way, and could think of a few ships that might start appearing in pvp if such a change were made.

I think some of this could be fixed by making chassis type specific equipement (like the elite parts for POB only).

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PaceNebulon wrote:

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IL-Vec wrote:

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Ralen-Sharr wrote:

I was thinking if they could mitigate the damage to player armor ONLY then it might work, you could still rip the shields down faster than whats feesable for shunting, but the armor would take a little pounding, giving the heavy fighters with massive amounts of firepower and mass a little advantage, they can carry huge amounts of armor so they can actually take damage, and POB's could stand up to a group of players and the armor would soak up huge amounts of damage. Might need to mitigate the damage after the armor is gone too to slow component/chassis damage.

Whats everyone think of this?

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I've flown a JSF with link lvl 7 RE's, Pnet sheild lvl 10 engine and 2k front 1.3k rear armor and had bout 3k mass left for CM's had I wanted to PvP with that set up.

let's just make the light fighters even better by doing this, no thanks

note - not intended as a flame more a counterargument typed in limited time

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/agree

any kind of damage mitigation would have to be chassis specific

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SOOOOOO true and differences should be minor and inversely proportional to the PYR and spd mods with extra for POB's (an decent not uber X wing can still deal enough damage in under a second to destroy them

Message Edited by IL-Vec on 09-26-2005 12:01 PM

there is a speed mod so no reason they couldnt add damage and mitigation mods. for example a POB would get a very high mod for soaking up damage(it should be impossible for a single fighter to ever defeat a POB with a full crew four should allways be greater then one) also add weapons damage mods, for example a JSF could barely dent the shields of a Nova forcing the use of another POB or a craft rated as a bomber such as the TIE Bomber, Ywing/Ywing-LP, Oppressor, or Bwing(and whatever freelance stuff counts as a bomber). basicly only make these mods effect PVP, so in PVP the "Snub-Fighters" would be for intercepting other fighters and keeping the bombers clear to assult the bigger ships. basicly it would be hard to do this as i would also have setup that bomber shields and armor would be more effected by starfighter class weapons but would be able to soak up more POB fire and fire from ordnace then a fighter could ever dream of. would be nice to see POBs supporting a PVP operation with fighters covering the bombers that would be trying to nuke the big ships.


then again ive been playing too much planetside in my life, where aircraft are kinda niched.