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Thread: debate for A wing firepower

Rhu
Thu Oct 06, 2005 1:47 pm
#1

Okay. Let's say you have a very good L7 IPW in there. Around 3100 damage, .31 refire, .66 vs shield/armor.


A borstel/tricannon will be around 3800 damage, .38 refire, .68 vs. shield armor.


The only difference you'll see in dps between the two weapons will be entirely because of the effectiveness modifiers on shield and armor. Damage per shot is important, of course, but so is getting those shots out when you have the chance. It depends on what you want out of it...


...of course, that's just talking blasters. The IR2 launcher, used to follow a successful hit with an L7 should finish off your target, if it doesn't make him sweat. Or the IR2 can be used to apply fairly constant damage so you are constantly setting yourself up for a blaster hit... Or at the least it will leave your opponant with another thing (countermeasures) on his mind... the psychological effect of overwhelming him with possible inputs can't be ignored.


So I'd say go with the L7/IR2.


Edit: Actually, if this were my ship... I think I might up my armor instead of going for a launcher. Got these nice-ish 3.5k mass 1k protection slabs that I try to squeeze into my setups...

Message Edited by Rhu on 10-06-2005 04:50 PM

Halyn
Thu Oct 06, 2005 1:51 pm
#2




Rhu wrote:


Okay. Let's say you have a very good L7 IPW in there. Around 3100 damage, .31 refire, .66 vs shield/armor.


A borstel/tricannon will be around 3800 damage, .38 refire, .68 vs. shield armor.


The only difference you'll see in dps between the two weapons will be entirely because of the effectiveness modifiers on shield and armor. Damage per shot is important, of course, but so is getting those shots out when you have the chance. It depends on what you want out of it...


...of course, that's just talking blasters. The IR2 launcher, used to follow a successful hit with an L7 should finish off your target, if it doesn't make him sweat. Or the IR2 can be used to apply fairly constant damage so you are constantly setting yourself up for a blaster hit... Or at the least it will leave your opponant with another thing (countermeasures) on his mind... the psychological effect of overwhelming him with possible inputs can't be ignored.


So I'd say go with the L7/IR2.


Edit: Actually, if this were my ship... I think I might up my armor instead of going for a launcher. Got these nice-ish 3.5k mass 1k protection slabs that I try to squeeze into my setups...

Message Edited by Rhu on 10-06-2005 04:50 PM



From dueling, I'm way more scared of the A-wing packing a Borstel. It's got more instant hit power, which is important in PvP. One good shot may be a disable on a lot of my ship setups, whereas I can survive a level 7 hit.




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Rhu
Thu Oct 06, 2005 2:00 pm
#3

Good point... I guess that's why I would try to jam that armor in there. Max damage per shot on a .69 is (rounding the borstel/tricannon's damage up to3900 * .69 * .75 * 1.3)= 2623. Backing up a L7 (1990)shield with at least L3 reenforced armor plate (650)should be enough protection to take a single shot from one of those...


Message Edited by Rhu on 10-06-2005 05:02 PM

FLMOPE
Thu Oct 06, 2005 5:00 pm
#4

If you look around a bit you should be able to find some Lvl 4 armor to RE. I have one that goes 800HPs for just under 2k mass. And several well over 600 for the same mass.


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jeromfelt
Fri Oct 07, 2005 12:33 am
#5
ok, i have my 78/76/76 104 speed nyms engine in there, and my 2100 f/b protecto net RE, currently have a IR2 launcher and a 3100+ damage ionic pulse RE, was wondering if i should toss out the IR2 and throw in a RE'ed borstel or tri cannon, i keep the IR2 atm, because sometimes i still run into RGI's and i dont get as excited anymore about 1 hour turn wars hehe.


SO DEBATE!




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ProCambarus
Fri Oct 07, 2005 3:00 am
#6
It is also a matter of preferences. Some pilots prefer RR to damage, and it clearly is a factor in fast paced pvp, others prefer damage so a well placed shot surely gets the results. In fleet fights IR2s form an important factor too. Your actual preferences might be based on whether you're going to a battle or you just expect a 1 on 1 engagement.



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LeaphChausew
Fri Oct 07, 2005 6:05 am
#7
Hi.


I tried a lvl 7 ion pulse weapon with IRII combo but I didn't like the fact that eventually missiles run out. Also, I found that a hit from the blaster alone wouldn't even hurt armour very much against good targets and neither would a hit from a single IRII. Now, after some debate, I switched to Proton MkIIIs which had a greater max damage (7k I believe on crafted ones) but they take a little longer to lock on and most of the people I fly against are carrying chaff so wasn't the best idea still


So in the end (and check my sig even though I've updated the ship since then), I went for a re'd Tri Cannon whic with a little careful holding out for good masses on parts, I managed to squeeze in with my protecto net and QID with room for everything else including armour.


I prefer the lvl 8 blaster. You can achieve real nice vs. shields/armour with them and even though the refire rate is slower, when fighting with an A-wing, I tend to pick my shots and become a lot more surgical with them than when I fly any other ship so it didn't really matter much to me. 3.8k damage max is enough to hurt most people's shields and armour and is much more likely to score major damage in a single blow than a lvl 7.


I know some people who even use real high refire lvl 7 crafted blasters on their A-wings but it is a matter of personal preference,and judging from the amount of success I've been having with my layoutI'd say go with the lvl 8 blaster.

JanuHull
Fri Oct 07, 2005 6:08 am
#8

Right now I'm running an RE'd Speedblaster L6 with an Image Rec II system.800 point L3 Light Forward Armor and 420 point L2 Heavy Rear armor and a 1940 f/b L7 Crafted Shield and my pre-nerf L6 Engine.


It gets the job done. Maybe not as fast as an L7 Blaster mounted would, but she'll tank as well as she'll hit.





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PaceNebulon
Fri Oct 07, 2005 8:22 am
#9
I use a L8 RE Borstel on my Interceptor. It is fairly rare that anyone lands more that 1 hit consecutively even with a .25 refire and I have never done it. So go with a harder hittinggun to make sure I damage something when I hit. Now if I could just get into the habit of targeting a component.



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jeromfelt
Fri Oct 07, 2005 2:19 pm
#10

thats a lvl 7 ionic pulse, either that or it has an RE lvl of 7, if it is in fact lvl 8, then u dont want to use it, because u can get lvl 8s over 3800+ damage after RE

Message Edited by jeromfelt on 10-07-2005 02:20 PM




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BaconHeadIthorian
Sat Oct 08, 2005 12:54 am
#11



I think I may be one of the few people that has a lvl 8 ionic Pulse weapon...at least that I know of. Anyway...here is my current A-wing loadout. Like always, it is a work in progress.


Weapon - lvl 8 ionic pulse weapon - 18300 mass, 1926.7 - 3133.7 dmg, .34 refire (I am planning to RE this after pub 24 I have all the parts I need to make it about 3200 dmg, .27 refire, about 17000 mass, and add significantly to hp and armor)


Engine - lvl 8 RE'd - Speed 100.5, pitch 75.7, yaw 73.9, roll 76.9 (I have a new one waiting to be RE'd that will have at least this with additional speed)


Shield - lvl 6 - 1300 e, 7.75 recharge, 5700 mass(easily my weakest area, but in PVP it seems to matter very little. Shield shunt helps alieviate the crappy recharge anyway)


Armor - 600 front and back, 1300 mass each


Capacitor - 1088 e, 31.5 recharge, 1088 mass (not great but with one gun it is good enough for now)


Booster - 1980e, 36.9 recharge, 29 top speed, 3100 mass


Mark II Concussion missiles (12)


Chaff Launcher (848 mass)


Droid Interface - 18 speed, 2400 mass (I REALLY want to get my hand on one of those pre nerf 14 speed low mass DIs anyone on Ahazi that has one I will make a good offer!)


Well that is my ship, The Shadow Star


Let me know if you have any comments or ideas!


Here's a few pics of The Shadow Star


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