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Thread: Which Missle Launchers and Counter Measures do you use?
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Combat_Medic_to_be
Tue Apr 26, 2005 7:30 am
#1
Well I'm new to pilot and I'm also going SW. My goal is to set up a SW shop which specialises in Missles and Countermeasures. I aim to keep all Launchers in stock in both low mass and low energy variants, might stock some with a balance of the two as well. I also plan to stock all packs as well.
I'm trying to find out which are the more popular choices so that I can ensure I have enough stock of those crafted when I start up. The fact the some will be slow sellers or might not sell at all is not an issue for me because they will mostly be a bit of extra work during the initial start up with little work required to keep myself in stock.
I've heard alot of talk about IR II launchers in Oppressors so I expect to stock pleanty of those. It also seems like the most popular choice in counter measure is either not to run them to save some mass or to run Chaff packs as they have minimal mass. Is there anything else I should be aware of?
I'm trying to find out which are the more popular choices so that I can ensure I have enough stock of those crafted when I start up. The fact the some will be slow sellers or might not sell at all is not an issue for me because they will mostly be a bit of extra work during the initial start up with little work required to keep myself in stock.
I've heard alot of talk about IR II launchers in Oppressors so I expect to stock pleanty of those. It also seems like the most popular choice in counter measure is either not to run them to save some mass or to run Chaff packs as they have minimal mass. Is there anything else I should be aware of?
Gavaksha
Tue Apr 26, 2005 9:01 am
#2
I'm not sure at what level IR launchers are available. I'm on Sunrunner and I haven't seen any of them anywhere.
I also have not seen a good definition of the roles of various missiles and countermeasures. I have had to simply buy them and try them out.
I don't know what the advantage to Image Rec missiles is over others, that sort of thing.
Maybe someone can post about that here and that would give a good direction.
I also have not seen a good definition of the roles of various missiles and countermeasures. I have had to simply buy them and try them out.
I don't know what the advantage to Image Rec missiles is over others, that sort of thing.
Maybe someone can post about that here and that would give a good direction.
Gavaksha
Tue Apr 26, 2005 9:07 am
#3
I personally use space bombs because of the damage they do, even though that severely limits the number that I can carry (Normally 2-4 is the loadout vs 8-12 for Lvl 3 Proton Missiles).
I use chaff because of the mass issue and I have never seen anything that gives me reason to use anything else. I don't have the information on the roles of the other countermeasures and so I have no idea what their effectiveness is.
I have looked for this information, but not done an in-depth study of it per se. =)
I use chaff because of the mass issue and I have never seen anything that gives me reason to use anything else. I don't have the information on the roles of the other countermeasures and so I have no idea what their effectiveness is.
I have looked for this information, but not done an in-depth study of it per se. =)
Combat_Medic_to_be
Tue Apr 26, 2005 9:16 am
#4
The descriptions given in the SW skill tree are pretty good for the missles, at least they seem to be. I believe the CMs just get more effective as you go up the SW skill tree however I'm unsure if the increase in effectiveness is worth the mass tradeoff.
The following Countermeasures and Missles are availible:
Missles
Proton Missle (levels 1 - 4)
Concussion Missle (levels 1 - 3)
Image Rec Missle (levels 1 and 2)
Seismic Launchers (Levels 1 - 3)
Space Bombs (Levels 1 and 2)
Counter Measures
Chaff
IFF Confuser
Micro Chaff
EM Emitter
Can't remember what it says each missle type is most effective against other than Proton and IR being equally effective against shields and armour and that space bombs are slow and highly affected by CM but also highly damaging.
The following Countermeasures and Missles are availible:
Missles
Proton Missle (levels 1 - 4)
Concussion Missle (levels 1 - 3)
Image Rec Missle (levels 1 and 2)
Seismic Launchers (Levels 1 - 3)
Space Bombs (Levels 1 and 2)
Counter Measures
Chaff
IFF Confuser
Micro Chaff
EM Emitter
Can't remember what it says each missle type is most effective against other than Proton and IR being equally effective against shields and armour and that space bombs are slow and highly affected by CM but also highly damaging.
S-1-l2-H-C
Tue Apr 26, 2005 11:21 am
#5
missiles are useless for pve, so image-rec mkIIs are all you should be using, as they are the best for pvp. the reason is they lock-on almost instantly, so its really easy to hit a small fighter with one. trying to get a lock on an a-wing with a proton rack while its flying circles around you is a lost cause, but its very easy with IR2s.
for counters, the simple chaff launcher is your best bet. some belive that weapon overload 3 effects chaff too, so it doubles its effectivness, making it always work, and making the higher level counter-launchers not worth the extra mass.
for counters, the simple chaff launcher is your best bet. some belive that weapon overload 3 effects chaff too, so it doubles its effectivness, making it always work, and making the higher level counter-launchers not worth the extra mass.
Kitten_Starsider
Tue Apr 26, 2005 11:34 am
#6
I agree with Harotak here even though Proton missiles can be a tough surprise if your enemy expects image recs. Sometimes if i know the fight takes longer and I expect more missiles i save one countermeasure pack and take a missile hit and shunt. A Proton torpedo would seriously cripple me there.
The highest demand will be image rec II missiles and chaff packs but as I use sensor decoys and know some with micro chaff Id keep those stocked as well. Some people may want spacebomb 2s and proton torpedos as well so have a few of those in stock too.
Kitten
Combat_Medic_to_be
Tue Apr 26, 2005 11:40 am
#7
Thanks for the advice guys
So IR IIs and chaff will be my main stock then, with a fair stock of protons and micro chaff. I'll keep all the others in stock anyway, just in much smaller amounts, just cause It'll be nice to have everything there if a customer ever needs or wants it.
Now I just need to work out my pricing *groan*
Anybody from chimaera able to give me some pointers? If I post on the galaxy or trade forums it'll get buried and I don't fancy going all over the galaxy checking vendors
So IR IIs and chaff will be my main stock then, with a fair stock of protons and micro chaff. I'll keep all the others in stock anyway, just in much smaller amounts, just cause It'll be nice to have everything there if a customer ever needs or wants it.
Now I just need to work out my pricing *groan*
Anybody from chimaera able to give me some pointers? If I post on the galaxy or trade forums it'll get buried and I don't fancy going all over the galaxy checking vendors
Message Edited by Combat_Medic_to_be on 04-26-2005 08:41 PM
Docbengal
Tue Apr 26, 2005 1:59 pm
#8
Combat_Medic_to_be wrote:
Thanks for the advice guys
So IR IIs and chaff will be my main stock then, with a fair stock of protons and micro chaff. I'll keep all the others in stock anyway, just in much smaller amounts, just cause It'll be nice to have everything there if a customer ever needs or wants it.
Now I just need to work out my pricing *groan*
Anybody from chimaera able to give me some pointers? If I post on the galaxy or trade forums it'll get buried and I don't fancy going all over the galaxy checking vendors![]()
Message Edited by Combat_Medic_to_be on 04-26-2005 08:41 PM
Galaxy wide vendor search ftw! Seriously, Id use that to see what the normal rates are. Super easy to use, just hit up the bazaar
Combat_Medic_to_be
Tue Apr 26, 2005 3:35 pm
#9
Man I'm being so slow today, was using it earlier loads as well, kept thinking to myself how nice it was not to have to visit everywhere =/
Another question, I am thinking of stocking the launchers in two varieties, one where I experiment on mass with leftover points in energy and one the other way round. Am I wasting my time doing that?
Another question, I am thinking of stocking the launchers in two varieties, one where I experiment on mass with leftover points in energy and one the other way round. Am I wasting my time doing that?
Raptor2k1
Tue Apr 26, 2005 8:49 pm
#10
I don't use any at all on my X-Wing. Not enough space if I want to use (what I like to think it is anyway) my current balanced load-out.
Kitten_Starsider
Wed Apr 27, 2005 3:17 am
#11
Combat_Medic_to_be wrote:
Man I'm being so slow today, was using it earlier loads as well, kept thinking to myself how nice it was not to have to visit everywhere =/
Another question, I am thinking of stocking the launchers in two varieties, one where I experiment on mass with leftover points in energy and one the other way round. Am I wasting my time doing that?
For the moment mass is way more important than energy... so I'd stock more of low mass launchers. However, The day they change droid programms (namely WO3 and CO) that will change dramatically.
Kitten
Arsani
Wed Apr 27, 2005 4:49 am
#12
Have no clue which missles work best in PvP, as I can't engage in any, but I do know that for PvE they can be useful. I personally use Proton mark IV's, especially when flying the YT-1300.
TomoRainer
Wed Apr 27, 2005 4:55 am
#13
I mostly use Mk II Image-Recs, but I find Mk III Concussions to be pretty useful on capital ships--they're really good for tagging Vette components on strafing runs or blindspots. Plenty of shots per pack and good damage at only 5.5Kish mass on the launcher. I'm not sure how many people use them, but they're my second-favorite missile.
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