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Thread: Posted in SW, but here it is here....
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Grunholf
Fri Feb 18, 2005 10:12 am
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I posted this in Shipwright forum, but I think it has a certain resonance here as well...WHY I WANTED TO BE A SHIPWRIGHT...
(otherwise known as Pilot's best second career)
Ok, so I see lots of threads about the loss of shipwrights on the servers, and how we get no love, and blah, blah, blah....
I must share, for I have a different perspective.
On flurry, I have a Master TKA, Master Doc, Smugglers Aliance ACE...Love that big wookie...anyway, I found it very hard to get parts RE'd because as you all know, THERE ARE NEVER ANY SHIPWRIGHTS ON! I had 2 other characters (on 2 other servers, I don't believe in buying multiple copies of the game) and of all the professions I have tried, I never tried a crafting proffesion.
I know, stupid me...but hey...
So when SOE gave everyone with JTL for a specific time (3 months?) 75k per character per server, I thought, WHY NOT!? I will start a Shipwright on a new server....75K is a good start for seed money, I can make that grow....
How little did I know.
Well I am happy to say that I am currently 3, 3, 3, 4 Shipwright with approximately 10mill in credits (thanks only to the veteran rewards I sold) and I am ready to finish off, as soon as a new spawn of steel happens. Using JTL for a source of cash, I am sitting at 4,4,4,4 RSF - because I can't seem to solo the exit mission - and I can generate about 200K-300k in credits selling loot from one run in space. I use that to buy resorces I need to grind up one box so I can RE the parts I kept, as they are really good stats (Level 1 reactor with 13.5k generation...looted!) and keep me in awsomeness all day. I have one vendor for storage and xp in merchant, but here is the wierd part...
I DO NOT PLAN ON SELLING COMPONANTS OR CHASSIS TO PEOPLE.
I DO NOT WANT TO MAKE A PROFIT OFF OF SALES
That's right, I became a Shipwright just so I can RE my own stuff and play with the JTL ships all I want...I make more money as a pilot than as a Shipwright, and I don't feel the need to spend 20hrs a week keeping a vendor stocked, spamming at a starport in the hopes of selling something.
I will make something for someone if they ask, but I don't wear a tag, so no one does. After I make master SW, I will wear the badge with pride, but I still will not make things for sale on a vendor. I will probably just master merchant and delete my vendors. I will RE for free any parts anyone brings to me, and if they want something specific, then I will work with them one on one to get it right. I have several chassis that I created while grinding, not the max mass but close, that I am seriously thinking of putting on the bazaar for 6k each. Just to get rid of them. I know someone will swoop down and buy them all just to put them on their vendor, but I hope that some Noob out there will be looking at the right time and get one for a low price, thus keeping them in the game a little longer.
Gorim of Bria
The opinions expressed here are mine, not yours, and they are opinions...everyone is entitled to their own.
(otherwise known as Pilot's best second career)
Ok, so I see lots of threads about the loss of shipwrights on the servers, and how we get no love, and blah, blah, blah....
I must share, for I have a different perspective.
On flurry, I have a Master TKA, Master Doc, Smugglers Aliance ACE...Love that big wookie...anyway, I found it very hard to get parts RE'd because as you all know, THERE ARE NEVER ANY SHIPWRIGHTS ON! I had 2 other characters (on 2 other servers, I don't believe in buying multiple copies of the game) and of all the professions I have tried, I never tried a crafting proffesion.
I know, stupid me...but hey...
So when SOE gave everyone with JTL for a specific time (3 months?) 75k per character per server, I thought, WHY NOT!? I will start a Shipwright on a new server....75K is a good start for seed money, I can make that grow....
How little did I know.
Well I am happy to say that I am currently 3, 3, 3, 4 Shipwright with approximately 10mill in credits (thanks only to the veteran rewards I sold) and I am ready to finish off, as soon as a new spawn of steel happens. Using JTL for a source of cash, I am sitting at 4,4,4,4 RSF - because I can't seem to solo the exit mission - and I can generate about 200K-300k in credits selling loot from one run in space. I use that to buy resorces I need to grind up one box so I can RE the parts I kept, as they are really good stats (Level 1 reactor with 13.5k generation...looted!) and keep me in awsomeness all day. I have one vendor for storage and xp in merchant, but here is the wierd part...
I DO NOT PLAN ON SELLING COMPONANTS OR CHASSIS TO PEOPLE.
I DO NOT WANT TO MAKE A PROFIT OFF OF SALES
That's right, I became a Shipwright just so I can RE my own stuff and play with the JTL ships all I want...I make more money as a pilot than as a Shipwright, and I don't feel the need to spend 20hrs a week keeping a vendor stocked, spamming at a starport in the hopes of selling something.
I will make something for someone if they ask, but I don't wear a tag, so no one does. After I make master SW, I will wear the badge with pride, but I still will not make things for sale on a vendor. I will probably just master merchant and delete my vendors. I will RE for free any parts anyone brings to me, and if they want something specific, then I will work with them one on one to get it right. I have several chassis that I created while grinding, not the max mass but close, that I am seriously thinking of putting on the bazaar for 6k each. Just to get rid of them. I know someone will swoop down and buy them all just to put them on their vendor, but I hope that some Noob out there will be looking at the right time and get one for a low price, thus keeping them in the game a little longer.
Gorim of Bria
The opinions expressed here are mine, not yours, and they are opinions...everyone is entitled to their own.
Eege
Fri Feb 18, 2005 12:03 pm
#2
As for me, I sell only the ships that I made during the grind to Master Shipwright. I will make things for people if they ask, and always for guildmates, but normally nothing else. Once I get to master pilot, I will start dumping skills to get back into combat. Crafting is all fine and dandy. But what I do is just is get and RE all the loot, then I keep what I want and sell the rest. It's free to get and if you can makle a little profit on it, all the better I think.
psikobunny
Fri Feb 18, 2005 3:52 pm
#3
I guess my question is, what's your point? Are you trying to blame pilots for the difficulty in finding a good shipwright? Are you trying to tease us with the fact that you're out there, but not "in business"?
I'm glad you've found your answer to your problems by making your own character to do the work, but I think you've simply Opted out of the system of cooperation as it was intended. That's your choice, I don't fault you for it, I'm just wondering why we have to know.
Ducimus
Fri Feb 18, 2005 4:52 pm
#4
psikobunny wrote:I guess my question is, what's your point? .....(snip snip) ...... I'm just wondering why we have to know.
Thats what im wondering.
And, does it take an essay to basically say the same thing that ive stated in my signiture in one sentence?
So Yes having SW is most certainly nice in being able outfit your own ships however you want. But personnaly, im a pilot. I could care less about the shipwright profession. The only thing i have to say about them after becoming a master SW myself, im AMAZED (more like disgusted) at the kind of profit they were pulling before the chassis market became saturated. Assuming you bought your resources for 2 cpu, a Teir 1 ship costs 30K credits to make, they were charging 75K. A master ship costs 300K to make, they used to charge 750K to 1 million for them.
CNevyn
Fri Feb 18, 2005 5:42 pm
#5
I'm not sure I'm seeing the point either... yes, sometimes I had to wait a day or two to have a choice RE done, but I had plenty to do in the mean time.. I don't generally have problems getting the services I need done, 'cause I'm in business witha SW. We don't make a killing at it, but business is steady, specifically 'cause we aren't priced to gouge. Our stock is priced to move. But when our SW isn't on and I need it done "NOW", I go find somebody else. So I'm left to conclude that you either have bad luck in timing, or the shortage simply hasn't hit my server.. *shrugs* I'm bored at the office.
PaladinX333
Fri Feb 18, 2005 9:42 pm
#6
It was never easy to find craftedcomponents on my server. Every single one of the nine shipwrights that I have purchased components from in the past has either quit the game or gone out of the shipwright business. Consumables like armor are in increasingly short supply. There simply aren't any craftedcomponents to be had anymore.
It doesn't surpise me that shipwrights claim they can't make any money. Visiting 23 mostly empty shipwright vendors showed me the reason why. It pretty hard to make a profit when you haven't any products to sell.
JTL has cooled off considerably since the initial rush. There were way too many shipwrights right after JTL launched. They all had visions of making millions selling chassis at 5 CPU. It was inevitable that some of them would give it up as being too time consuming and/or unprofitable. The shocking thing was that on my server, they all appear to have given up the profession at the same time.
Eilla
Fri Feb 18, 2005 10:25 pm
#7
There seem to be plenty of shipwrights on Wanderhome galaxy. However, the majorityseem to have stopped at 4-0-0-0.
But I totally understand your desire to lay low with SW. I do itas amaster doc. The only reason I'm an MD is so I don't have to wait in the buff lines.
Also, I briefly tried grinding out SW. But I had forgotten how grindconsuming any crafting profession is. I'm reconsideringSW with my alt just so I don't have to pay 15k for a 10 pack of missiles.
Grunholf
Sun Feb 20, 2005 8:17 am
#8
I was just sharing my perspective on the game...I play at weird hours, and the population on all servers is low then (around 2-3 hours before server reset). It takes up to a week or more of serching before I find one SW, and they usually don't want to help. So I did what I did. I just wanted to let others know, this is a nice way to get what you want when you want it.
Gorim of Bria
Gorim of Bria
Golrok
Sun Feb 20, 2005 3:12 pm
#9
Grunholf wrote:
That's right, I became a Shipwright just so I can RE my own stuff and play with the JTL ships all I want...
Your not the only one.. 
>>the majorityseem to have stopped at 4-0-0-0.
Because the majority went at it backwards, their bigger chasis' were full of empty space.
Message Edited by Golrok on 02-20-2005 02:17 PM
psikobunny
Sun Feb 20, 2005 3:32 pm
#10
Golrok wrote:
>>the majorityseem to have stopped at 4-0-0-0.
Because the majority went at it backwards, their bigger chasis' were full of empty space.
Message Edited by Golrok on 02-20-2005 02:17 PM
Huh? the reason people went to 4-0-0-0 is faster xps, not in the interest of actually making goods. If you're grinding SW and have your resources set, its the quickest way. All chassis have the same xp ratio, but bigger chassis means a quicker grind. Since then, a lot of people haven't gotten that the fast grind was for people on week1 who had months of resource set aside and ready, and wanted to grind SW in hours. Now they try to follow it without the resource, and make a living as an SW along the way while they gather, and it doesnt work.
1st_Viduus
Sun Feb 20, 2005 9:01 pm
#11
Ducimus wrote:
psikobunny wrote:
I guess my question is, what's your point? .....(snip snip) ...... I'm just wondering why we have to know.
Thats what im wondering.
And, does it take an essay to basically say the same thing that ive stated in my signiture in one sentence?
So Yes having SW is most certainly nice in being able outfit your own ships however you want. But personnaly, im a pilot. I could care less about the shipwright profession. The only thing i have to say about them after becoming a master SW myself, im AMAZED (more like disgusted) at the kind of profit they were pulling before the chassis market became saturated. Assuming you bought your resources for 2 cpu, a Teir 1 ship costs 30K credits to make, they were charging 75K. A master ship costs 300K to make, they used to charge 750K to 1 million for them.
2 cpu?
WHERE!?
I regularly buy my resources for 4 and 5cpu, and I build chassis (only by order) for 8 cpu.
Mind you, I hit 75% on Mass Allowance minimum or the price starts to drop....
Selling my 3cpu resource grind-quality ships at 1.5cpu to recoup the investment. There were no resources on Ahazi cheaper at the time, and they're still impossible to find.
1.5 mill (10cpu) for an excellent master level chassis is NOT overcharging. It's highway robbery... on the customer's part.
The other day I wanted some Able steel, the guy who had it insisted 10cpu, no cheaper. I flat out refused to pay that (and still can't find anymore). I guess he forgot my name, because the next day he came asking me for a chassis for 450k... and it had to "be at least better than the listed stat" for mass allowance. LOL! 450k is 3cpu... what does he think, I can just make 70k Able drop out of my hat...?
Grunholf
Sun Feb 20, 2005 11:18 pm
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"...Because the majority went at it backwards, their bigger chasis' were full of empty space."
You got it. That's why I am 3,3,3,4...I grind a box when I need to RE some great piece of loot. I BUY my chassis because they can get better mass than I can, but I use all RE loot, because it has better stats than crafted.
Just one more point I wanted to make...hehe
Gorim of Bria
You got it. That's why I am 3,3,3,4...I grind a box when I need to RE some great piece of loot. I BUY my chassis because they can get better mass than I can, but I use all RE loot, because it has better stats than crafted.
Just one more point I wanted to make...hehe
Gorim of Bria
Ratape
Sun Feb 20, 2005 11:34 pm
#13
If I ever get around to unlocking jedi, my secondary character will be my master shipwright. I've gotten to the point where it'd be very useful to have my own shipwright around to RE components. Especially since I'm unhappy with quite a few of the shipwrights on Lowca. It's hard to find quality craftsman these days.
Message Edited by Ratape on 02-20-2005 10:34 PM
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