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Thread: Quick Refire question.

Higginsis
Fri Jun 24, 2005 5:08 pm
#1

To all the people who know there guns, what refire rate would i need to pair a 0.370 with to get a repeating effect. It annoys me when my guns get to the point where they fire at the same time.

Any help appreciated.



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Slysix
Fri Jun 24, 2005 5:15 pm
#2

Are you using cycle fire or grouped fire?

Higginsis
Fri Jun 24, 2005 5:16 pm
#3

Cycle, but they still overlap any due to different refires.



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Ducimus
Fri Jun 24, 2005 5:19 pm
#4

What level is the 0.370 refire gun?

Sounds like an L10.

EDIT: off the top of my head the best refire rates you can obtain..

I think a boltdriver (L7) is like.. .321? something like that.
L8 reward guns tend to hover around .410 or so. Maybe as low as .390

L9's tend to have the mass of an L10, the damgage of an L8, but the refire rate is wicked quick. I have an L9 that has a refire rate of 0.300 for example.

L10s i think can get as fast as .370 (or was that .321?) i forget honestly. Havent REd anything in awhile so im a little rusty.

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Higginsis
Fri Jun 24, 2005 5:48 pm
#5

Its actually a level 8 reward gun that i got lucky enogh to RE with a lower speed one. I'm working on a BD specifically and was trying to work out how low i'd need it for it to work, but i'm useless at maths so i though i'd throw it out here.



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Slysix
Fri Jun 24, 2005 5:54 pm
#6


Unfortunately if you want them to "alternate" when holding the button down, you have to get a weapon with a different rate of fire and you'll still get a syncronous fire ever 3 to 4 seconds. Your best bet would be to get a weapon with a refire rate of .04 to .05 above or below your weapon's rate of fire.

I've found that on cycle fire, when you hold down the button, the following shot(s) occurs around .28 seconds after the first shot(It might differ with a different initial gun, but this is what I get when i'm using my .250 guns).

So the shot pattern would look like this.
Assuming your 1st weapon (.370 cycle) and your2nd weapon (.32 recycle)
: Weapon - Time -> Time between shots
1st shot: 1st - 0 seconds
2nd shot: 2nd - .28 -> .28
3rd shot: 1st - .37 -> .07
4th shot: 2nd - .56 -> .19
5th shot: 1st - .74 -> .18
6th shot: 2nd - .84-> .10
7th shot: 1st - 1.11 -> .27
8th shot: 2nd - 1.12 -> .01

So you get a "syncrounous fire" every 1.10 seconds or so..

Me personaly I use crafted guns with a refire rate of .250...put then on my krayt....hard to dodge shots coming in at around at a rate of .08 seconds...


edited to make the table thingy a little bit neater.

Message Edited by Slysix on 06-24-2005 09:57 PM

Higginsis
Fri Jun 24, 2005 6:06 pm
#7

Thanks sly, thats some great help.

My current gun is 0.310, so it must be too quick.



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Slysix
Fri Jun 24, 2005 6:27 pm
#8






Slysix wrote:


Unfortunately if you want them to "alternate" when holding the button down, you have to get a weapon with a different rate of fire and you'll still get a syncronous fire ever 3 to 4 seconds. Your best bet would be to get a weapon with a refire rate of .04 to .05 above or below your weapon's rate of fire.

I've found that on cycle fire, when you hold down the button, the following shot(s) occurs around .28 seconds after the first shot(It might differ with a different initial gun, but this is what I get when i'm using my .250 guns).

So the shot pattern would look like this.
Assuming your 1st weapon (.370 cycle) and your2nd weapon (.32 recycle)
: Weapon - Time -> Time between shots
1st shot: 1st - 0 seconds
2nd shot: 2nd - .28 -> .28
3rd shot: 1st - .37 -> .07
4th shot: 2nd - .56 -> .19
5th shot: 1st - .74 -> .18
6th shot: 2nd - .84-> .10
7th shot: 1st - 1.11 -> .27
8th shot: 2nd - 1.12 -> .01

So you get a "syncrounous fire" every 1.10 seconds or so..

Me personaly I use crafted guns with a refire rate of .250...put then on my krayt....hard to dodge shots coming in at around at a rate of .08 seconds...


edited to make the table thingy a little bit neater.


Message Edited by Slysix on 06-24-2005 09:57 PM




Ok...I just reread my post and realized I did something completely wrong....I made the second gun .28 recycle speed. Chart should read like this.


So the shot pattern would look like this.
Assuming your 1st weapon (.370 cycle) and your2nd weapon (.32 recycle)
: Weapon - Time -> Time between shots
1st shot: 1st - 0 seconds
2nd shot: 2nd - .28 -> .28
3rd shot: 1st - .37 -> .09
4th shot: 2nd - .60 -> .23
5th shot: 1st - .74 -> .14
6th shot: 2nd - .92-> .18
7th shot: 1st - 1.11 -> .19
8th shot: 2nd - 1.24 -> .13


Mind you if you 2nd weapon fires first....(since your on cycle) you'd start of with a syncronous fire situation....bah....this is getting me a head ache....




KaylBreinhar
Fri Jun 24, 2005 6:39 pm
#9

I use twin .370s and I use the Ghetto approach - I hold down one mouse button then immediately hold down the other.

It syncs if I hit a snag, but I can get it back to the way I want it in a few seconds.

I have a potential .307 L7 in the works if I can get around to looting or finding someone with .64x+ pre-RE L7s on Eclipse.

Message Edited by KaylBreinhar on 06-24-2005 09:39 PM



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Ducimus
Fri Jun 24, 2005 6:40 pm
#10

Why is weapon sync, or rather, lack of so important? Just asthetics?

Pesonnaly i think the best weapon combo as an Armek Elite paired with a borestal



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Higginsis
Fri Jun 24, 2005 7:22 pm
#11



Ducimus wrote:
Why is weapon sync, or rather, lack of so important? Just asthetics?

Pesonnaly i think the best weapon combo as an Armek Elite paired with a borestal




Its not essential, just my prefered way of shooting. With a constant stream of bolts there's more chance of landing a hit than with a group blast.



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Ducimus
Fri Jun 24, 2005 7:24 pm
#12

Ahh.. flare.

I dont have enough flare



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Higginsis
Fri Jun 24, 2005 7:27 pm
#13

But i just looked at my L7 stash i'm gonna re, and my nice 13k mass one (which is essential for this gun) have a refire of 0.329

Looks like the dream is over.



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